From wrobell at ite.pl  Fri Aug  3 15:41:15 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:41:15 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
Message-ID: <20010803154115.C1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

I will make it...

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Fri Aug  3 15:37:34 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:37:34 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
In-Reply-To: <20010803154115.C1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>; from wrobell@ite.pl on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200
References: <20010803154115.C1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010803153734.A17365@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> I will make it...
And what about gimp? :)))
Regards
Lukasz
-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Fri Aug  3 15:53:24 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:53:24 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
In-Reply-To: <20010803153734.A17365@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010803155324.D1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:34PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > I will make it...
> And what about gimp? :)))
Me? If modification of patches will be trivial, maybe this weekend...
but it is not critical for me, at now. :-)

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Fri Aug  3 17:08:13 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:08:13 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
In-Reply-To: <20010803155324.D1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>; from wrobell@ite.pl on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:53:24PM +0200
References: <20010803153734.A17365@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de> <20010803155324.D1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010803170813.A19496@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:53:24PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:34PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > > I will make it...
> > And what about gimp? :)))
> Me? If modification of patches will be trivial, maybe this weekend...
> but it is not critical for me, at now. :-)
Is anything we can do to make it critical? Just tell, we'll do it. :))

Lukasz
-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Fri Aug  3 17:22:18 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:22:18 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
In-Reply-To: <20010803170813.A19496@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010803172218.G1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:08:13PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:53:24PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:34PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > > > I will make it...
> > > And what about gimp? :)))
> > Me? If modification of patches will be trivial, maybe this weekend...
> > but it is not critical for me, at now. :-)
> Is anything we can do to make it critical? Just tell, we'll do it. :))
5000l of good beer... :-)

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Fri Aug  3 17:14:48 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:14:48 +0200
Subject: mozilla 0.9.3
In-Reply-To: <20010803172218.G1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>; from wrobell@ite.pl on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:22:18PM +0200
References: <20010803170813.A19496@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de> <20010803172218.G1155@pred.posexperts.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010803171448.A20000@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:22:18PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 05:08:13PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:53:24PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:37:34PM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 03:41:15PM +0200, wrobell wrote:
> > > > > I will make it...
> > > > And what about gimp? :)))
> > > Me? If modification of patches will be trivial, maybe this weekend...
> > > but it is not critical for me, at now. :-)
> > Is anything we can do to make it critical? Just tell, we'll do it. :))
> 5000l of good beer... :-)
well I will wait. 
Lukasz
-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Fri Aug  3 17:58:03 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:58:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SPARC ISO image
In-Reply-To: <20010803171448.A20000@spica.itp.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108030852230.3492-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Greetings;

I originally asked this on the user list, but have not seen
any traffic there...

What is the possibility of getting a Sparc ISO created?

I would like to try this distribution on a Sparc10 I have
sitting on my desk...  It is currently running Debian. I have
another running RedHat 6.2.  Both distributions are "really old",
so I have been keeping my eye out for a newer distribution.


Alernative question:

How would I go about creating such an image?  I've got 800 Meg
on the Debian sparc10 available if someone could point me to the
sources and proceedure.

Bob
-- 
><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>
Bob Van Cleef, Member of Technical Staff         (408) 734-8100
MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.         FAX (408) 734-8136
376 Martin Ave., Santa Clara, CA 95050  vancleef at microunity.com


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Fri Aug  3 22:37:03 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: 03 Aug 2001 22:37:03 +0200
Subject: SPARC ISO image
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108030852230.3492-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108030852230.3492-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <87lml0namo.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

Bob Van Cleef <vancleef at microunity.com> writes:

> I originally asked this on the user list, but have not seen
> any traffic there...
All users are subscibed to pld-devel-{pl,en} probably :-)

> What is the possibility of getting a Sparc ISO created?
We can create such ISO with sparc packages but we don't have installer
prepared for dealing with sparc architecture right now.

> Alernative question:
> 
> How would I go about creating such an image?  I've got 800 Meg
> on the Debian sparc10 available if someone could point me to the
> sources and proceedure.
As there is no installer, so just playing with mkisofs a bit. Check
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/stat/geniso-poldek (this script generates ISO
for x86 architectures but it's writeen to deal with all architectures).

> Bob
> Bob Van Cleef, Member of Technical Staff         (408) 734-8100

-- 
 Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE, 1024/3DB19BBD
 IPv6 ready PLD Linux at http://www.pld.org.pl/
My jsme Borg. Odpor je marn?, budete asimilov?ni


From phil at hollenback.net  Sat Aug  4 23:04:32 2001
From: phil at hollenback.net (Philip J. Hollenback)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:04:32 -0700
Subject: problems building geninitrd-2.4.1 and genromfs-0.3.9
Message-ID: <20010804140427.A1107@hollenback.net>

Hi,

I'm trying to build these two packages from your pld source on a
modified rh62 system.  I have problems building both, perhaps someone
could shed some light on this?

rpm -bb genromfs.spec fails like this:

Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81323
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ rm -rf genromfs-0.3
+ /bin/gzip -dc /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/genromfs-0.3.tar.gz
+ tar -xf -
+ STATUS=0
+ [ 0 -ne 0 ]
+ cd genromfs-0.3
++ /usr/bin/id -u
+ [ 0 = 0 ]
+ /bin/chown -Rhf root .
++ /usr/bin/id -u
+ [ 0 = 0 ]
+ /bin/chgrp -Rhf root .
+ /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w .
+ echo Patch #0 (genromfs-ac_am.patch):
Patch #0 (genromfs-ac_am.patch):
+ patch -p1 -s
+ exit 0
Executing(%build): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.47157
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd genromfs-0.3
+ libtoolize --copy --force
You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'.
+ aclocal
+ automake -a -c
automake: configure.in: installing `./install-sh'
    error while copying

automake: configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs'
    error while copying

automake: configure.in: installing `./missing'
    error while copying

automake: Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL'
    error while copying

automake: Makefile.am: required file `./NEWS' not found
automake: Makefile.am: required file `./README' not found
automake: Makefile.am: required file `./AUTHORS' not found
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.47157 (%build)




and rpm -bb geninitrd.spec fails like this:

Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.2601
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ rm -rf geninitrd-2.4
+ /bin/gzip -dc /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/geninitrd-2.4.tar.gz
+ tar -xf -
+ STATUS=0
+ [ 0 -ne 0 ]
+ cd geninitrd-2.4
++ /usr/bin/id -u
+ [ 0 = 0 ]
+ /bin/chown -Rhf root .
++ /usr/bin/id -u
+ [ 0 = 0 ]
+ /bin/chgrp -Rhf root .
+ /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,g-w,o-w .
+ exit 0
Executing(%build): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.76156
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd geninitrd-2.4
+ exit 0
Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.76156
+ umask 022
+ cd /usr/src/redhat/BUILD
+ cd geninitrd-2.4
+ rm -rf /%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root
+ /usr/bin/make BUILDROOT=/%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root install
install -d /%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root/{sbin,/usr/share/man/man8,/etc/sysconfig}
sed 's/%VERSIONTAG%/2.4/' < geninitrd > /%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root/sbin/geninitrd
/bin/sh: /%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root/sbin/geninitrd: No such file or directory
make: *** [install] Error 1
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.76156 (%install)


There appear to be errors in the source packages - for example,
genromfs is missing the NEWS file.

How can I fix this?

Also, what is the shell 'trash' that your geninitrd refers to?  I
can't find that anywhere.

P.

ps - I'm using your rpms because I use your kernel rpm and really like
it.

-- 
Philip J. Hollenback
philiph at pobox.com
http://www.hollenback.net


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Sat Aug  4 23:22:31 2001
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:22:31 +0200
Subject: problems building geninitrd-2.4.1 and genromfs-0.3.9
In-Reply-To: <20010804140427.A1107@hollenback.net>
Message-ID: <20010804232231.A16029@misiek.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

Hi Philip

On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 02:04:32PM -0700, Philip J. Hollenback wrote:
> + /usr/bin/make BUILDROOT=/%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root install
                             ^^^^^^^^^
You should install rpm from PLD. It has some additional macros,
%{tmpdir} for example.
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Sun Aug  5 02:04:09 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 02:04:09 +0200
Subject: problems building geninitrd-2.4.1 and genromfs-0.3.9
In-Reply-To: <20010804232231.A16029@misiek.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20010805020409.C1867@dk.wroc.pl>

On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 11:22:31PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> Hi Philip
> 
> On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 02:04:32PM -0700, Philip J. Hollenback wrote:
> > + /usr/bin/make BUILDROOT=/%{tmpdir}/geninitrd-2.4-root-root install
>                              ^^^^^^^^^
> You should install rpm from PLD. It has some additional macros,
> %{tmpdir} for example.

Or just define tmpdir in your rpmrc, I think...

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Sun Aug  5 19:34:45 2001
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Sakowski?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:34:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: problems building geninitrd-2.4.1 and genromfs-0.3.9
In-Reply-To: <20010804140427.A1107@hollenback.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108051921300.1712-100000@jupiter.sakowski.eu.org>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message

> + automake -a -c
> automake: configure.in: installing `./install-sh'
>     error while copying
> 
> automake: configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs'
>     error while copying
> 
> automake: configure.in: installing `./missing'
>     error while copying
> 
> automake: Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL'
>     error while copying
> 
> automake: Makefile.am: required file `./NEWS' not found
> automake: Makefile.am: required file `./README' not found
> automake: Makefile.am: required file `./AUTHORS' not found

An old version of automake? Try upgrading.

> Also, what is the shell 'trash' that your geninitrd refers to?  I
> can't find that anywhere.

ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/i686/PLD/RPMS/trash-1.3.0-1.i686.rpm
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/SRPMS/SRPMS/trash-1.3.0-1.src.rpm

That's PLD's work. It's a minimal shell that contains only the functions
required to parse initrd's startup file. Its use has been obsoleted by bsp
(also our stuff :), which contains a built-in insmod, making the resulting 
initrd even smaller.

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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Aug  6 12:40:04 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:40:04 +0200
Subject: problems building geninitrd-2.4.1 and genromfs-0.3.9
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108051921300.1712-100000@jupiter.sakowski.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20010806124004.A15677@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 07:34:45PM +0200, Pawe? Sakowski wrote:
> > Also, what is the shell 'trash' that your geninitrd refers to?  I
> > can't find that anywhere.
> 
> ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/i686/PLD/RPMS/trash-1.3.0-1.i686.rpm
> ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/SRPMS/SRPMS/trash-1.3.0-1.src.rpm
> 
> That's PLD's work. It's a minimal shell that contains only the functions
> required to parse initrd's startup file. 

trash is by no means limited to initrd. It's in fact minimal shell,
but when writing it had nothing to do with initrd. Also it has much
more features then it's needed in initrd, which one may easly examine
by comprasion of sizes of trash and bsp (w/o insmod).

> Its use has been obsoleted by bsp
> (also our stuff :), which contains a built-in insmod, making the resulting 
> initrd even smaller.

<advertise>Now also raidstart</advertise> :)))

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From pawelk at pld.org.pl  Tue Aug  7 00:02:58 2001
From: pawelk at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Ko=B3odziej?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 00:02:58 +0200
Subject: [sbi@radiohead.Rutgers.EDU: Batch build utilities for rpm]
Message-ID: <20010807000258.A3863@paw.dom>

Maybe someone shpoul look especially at this second script ?

-- 
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From jajcus at bnet.pl  Tue Aug  7 20:21:38 2001
From: jajcus at bnet.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:21:38 +0200
Subject: improper use of automake in Tux Typing
In-Reply-To: <01080709562201.00495@outback>
Message-ID: <20010807202138.A3300@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>

On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 09:56:22AM +0000, Samuel Hart wrote:
> Actually, the problem stems from the fact that the project has been developed 
> primarily in the KDevelop 1.x series. KDevelop has a nasty habit of 
> commandering your project's build process (which is good if you don't 
> understand autoconf|make, which I didn't when I started the project, but is 
> bad if you start having good-sized projects).
That's what I thought. But I was thinking "kdevelop could not bu such
stupit so it don't allow to make proper Makefile.am". It seems I was
wrong. :-(

[...]
> We have actually had Makefile.am patches submitted to use since version 
> 0.5... but we could never use them because we also want to use KDevelop.
So I am not the first :-)

> Actually, the packagers that have an even harder time than RPM makers is 
> those making DEB packages (since Debian has a very strict file standard that 
> most other distros don't have).
In our distro we have nearly such strict rules as Debian has. The mess
in other RPM distributions is one of reasons why we are doing our own
one.

> Do you mean the gameplay, or things like the title-screen?
The one, and the other :-)

> If it's the gameplay, we actually slowed it down because we had so many 
> people complaining their kids couldn't play it:
> http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/8561/2001/7/0/6272460/
That's what i thought. But it would be great to have "very hard" mode, 
so adults can also enjoy the game :-). Graphics are cute :-)

> If it's the title-screen, then the problem is actually a X server support 
> one. We use double-buffering to help speed up the full-surface blits. 
> Unfortunately, not all X servers support this ;-) If this is the problem you 
> are having, then you may want to try using the "-st"/"--static" option with 
> the game.
Hmmmm.... The other solution I have in my mind whould be too much for
this little game (why should there be dependency on OpenGL in it?).
So maybe that's the way it should be :-).

Thanks for quick answer. :-)

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at bnet.pl  Tue Aug  7 21:00:23 2001
From: jajcus at bnet.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:00:23 +0200
Subject: improper use of automake in Tux Typing
In-Reply-To: <01080711442405.00526@outback>
Message-ID: <20010807210023.I3300@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>

On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 11:44:24AM +0000, Samuel Hart wrote:
> Are you guys planning on using the new rpm-get scheme? That was another big 
> reason I switched to Debian (automatic package retrieval/updating). It seems 
> like it'll be too hard for some of the *established* (stagnating? ;-) RPM 
> based distros like RH, SuSE and Mandrake to start using it anytime soon... 
> but some of the newer (younger? ;-) RPM based distros could easily do it.

We have in PLD two similar packages: apt (well known tool from Debian,
now with RPM support) and poldek --- our own great tool :-)
I am using the second, but many other use apt.

> Personally.... I like RPMs from a developers standpoint (because they are 
> sooo much easier to make), and DEBs from an end-user standpoint (because I 
> can be so lazy with respect to package management ;-)
:-) I think this is the same feeling we all here have :-)

I would like to convince you to change your distro to PLD, but I know 
Linux distribution is not a thing you reinstall all the time (I
wouldn't do that) :-)

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at bnet.pl  Tue Aug  7 20:53:23 2001
From: jajcus at bnet.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:53:23 +0200
Subject: [criswell@geekcomix.com: Re: improper use of automake in Tux Typing]
Message-ID: <20010807205323.H3300@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>

The part about distribution is great. My answer is comming....

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Delivered-To: jajcus at bnet.pl
From: Samuel Hart <criswell at geekcomix.com>
To: Jacek Konieczny <jajcus at bnet.pl>
Subject: Re: improper use of automake in Tux Typing
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:44:24 +0000
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On Tuesday 07 August 2001 06:21pm, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 09:56:22AM +0000, Samuel Hart wrote:
> > Actually, the problem stems from the fact that the project has been
> > developed primarily in the KDevelop 1.x series. KDevelop has a nasty
> > habit of commandering your project's build process (which is good if you
> > don't understand autoconf|make, which I didn't when I started the
> > project, but is bad if you start having good-sized projects).
>
> That's what I thought. But I was thinking "kdevelop could not bu such
> stupit so it don't allow to make proper Makefile.am". It seems I was
> wrong. :-(

Well, to be fair, KDevelop was originally started with other needs in mind. 
It was originally just a solution for KDE based applications.

It, of course, has since grown, and is used all over the place. But one of 
its /real/ problems is that the project templates it comes with are actually 
hard-coded into a header file in its source code:
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdevelop&m=94795040008422&w=2

So anytime you want to use KDevelop for something not covered in the 
templates (such as an SDL app) you will face problems. (Unless you want to 
recompile KDevelop from source with a tweaked header file).

Like I said, after 2.0, they will have this fixed. I can't wait ;-)

> > Actually, the packagers that have an even harder time than RPM makers is
> > those making DEB packages (since Debian has a very strict file standard
> > that most other distros don't have).
>
> In our distro we have nearly such strict rules as Debian has. The mess
> in other RPM distributions is one of reasons why we are doing our own
> one.

That is a /very/ good thing. I actually gave up RPM based distros a while 
back because of this (and several other reasons ;-)

Are you guys planning on using the new rpm-get scheme? That was another big 
reason I switched to Debian (automatic package retrieval/updating). It seems 
like it'll be too hard for some of the *established* (stagnating? ;-) RPM 
based distros like RH, SuSE and Mandrake to start using it anytime soon... 
but some of the newer (younger? ;-) RPM based distros could easily do it.

Personally.... I like RPMs from a developers standpoint (because they are 
sooo much easier to make), and DEBs from an end-user standpoint (because I 
can be so lazy with respect to package management ;-)

> That's what i thought. But it would be great to have "very hard" mode,
> so adults can also enjoy the game :-). Graphics are cute :-)

One of the first things we want to impliment in the 1.x series is gameplay 
speed/difficulty sliders... So people can tweak the gameplay speed themselves.

> > If it's the title-screen, then the problem is actually a X server support
> > one. We use double-buffering to help speed up the full-surface blits.
> > Unfortunately, not all X servers support this ;-) If this is the problem
> > you are having, then you may want to try using the "-st"/"--static"
> > option with the game.
>
> Hmmmm.... The other solution I have in my mind whould be too much for
> this little game (why should there be dependency on OpenGL in it?).
> So maybe that's the way it should be :-).

Yes, we've thought about OpenGL as well. But you're right... way too many 
dependancies.

Now there has been some talk on the SDL dev mailing list to make an OpenGL 2D 
target as an option (meaning it would be transparent to the game developers, 
and optional to the end-users). If they do something like this, then Tux 
Typing will be ready to use it.

And actually, the speed during double-buffering can be greatly increased if 
you are using a XFree86 4.0 or later, and your hardware is appropriately 
supported (supports DRI, etc.)

But it's funny... My desktop is a 300MHz AMD K6 with a very cheesy ATI Rage 
Pro card, and yet Tux Typing performs /way/ better on it than on my 500Mhz 
laptop with a high-performance (for DVD playback) video chipset!

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From vancleef at microunity.com  Wed Aug  8 19:05:08 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Automated update/distribution - feature request
In-Reply-To: <20010807210023.I3300@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108080956400.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


I've played with both the debian and redhat automated update tools,
but they both lack two things that I would love to see.

1 - reporting versions

    Even though both check the version numbers of the installed
    and available packages, neigther of them tell you what they
    found.  I'd like at least the ability to select a package and
    ask what version is installed and what is available.

2 - verification of installation

    I would love to be able to select a package that is "at the
    current level" and be able to verify that it is actually 
    installed correctly or that a binary hasn't been corrupted.
   (sort of a tripwire test, but against the RPM, not a local database)

Of the two, dselect is much more informative than up2date.  From my 
perspective, up2date doesn't give you adequate information about
what your current state is.

Bob
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From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Wed Aug  8 19:24:06 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:24:06 +0200
Subject: Automated update/distribution - feature request
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108080956400.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010808192406.A6647@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 10:05:08AM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 
> I've played with both the debian and redhat automated update tools,
> but they both lack two things that I would love to see.
> 
> 1 - reporting versions
> 
>     Even though both check the version numbers of the installed
>     and available packages, neigther of them tell you what they
>     found.  I'd like at least the ability to select a package and
>     ask what version is installed and what is available.

poldek --shcmd="ls -ltr" | less

May do what you want. This is a command I run every day :-)


> 2 - verification of installation
> 
>     I would love to be able to select a package that is "at the
>     current level" and be able to verify that it is actually 
>     installed correctly or that a binary hasn't been corrupted.
>    (sort of a tripwire test, but against the RPM, not a local database)
Verifying from localy available package should be no problem:

rpm -Vp package.rpm

I don't know if apt has any verification implemented, but poldek doesn't
support this, and it probably will never do. It would probably require
much more data to be downloaded with poldek's index.

Greets,
        Jacek


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Wed Aug  8 19:37:49 2001
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:37:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Automated update/distribution - feature request
In-Reply-To: <20010808192406.A6647@nic.gliwice.sdi.tpnet.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081936520.28681-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> > I've played with both the debian and redhat automated update tools,
> > but they both lack two things that I would love to see.
> > 1 - reporting versions
> >     Even though both check the version numbers of the installed
> >     and available packages, neigther of them tell you what they
> >     found.  I'd like at least the ability to select a package and
> >     ask what version is installed and what is available.
> poldek --shcmd="ls -ltr" | less
> May do what you want. This is a command I run every day :-)

...or 
apt-get -S dist-upgrade

This is a command I run every day :-)

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From vancleef at microunity.com  Wed Aug  8 21:27:33 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:27:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What is with the web site????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081936520.28681-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Just went to: http://www.pld.org.pl/

It is now a web site for what appears to be the Polish ministry
of transportation....

Bob
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From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Wed Aug  8 21:35:16 2001
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:35:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: What is with the web site????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108082134080.30400-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> Just went to: http://www.pld.org.pl/
> It is now a web site for what appears to be the Polish ministry
> of transportation....

Well...
Don't you like our goverment? ;)

You had to be really unlucky - It works for me now.

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From aflinta at interia.pl  Wed Aug  8 21:36:52 2001
From: aflinta at interia.pl (Artur Flinta)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:36:52 +0200
Subject: What is with the web site????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081936520.28681-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
	<Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010808213652.26c19fb7.aflinta@interia.pl>

Hi!

Dnia Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Bob Van Cleef wypoci?(a):

> 
> Just went to: http://www.pld.org.pl/
> 
> It is now a web site for what appears to be the Polish ministry
> of transportation....

?????? Seems to be OK. Try http://212.14.45.162
or maybe reload page?
 
      Best regards
             Artur

-- 
Zawsze kiedy jest problem, jest jakie? rozwi?zanie;
 zatem je?li nie ma rozwi?zania, nie ma problemu.

-------------------------------------
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Wed Aug  8 21:49:05 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What is with the web site????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108082134080.30400-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081247550.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Blues wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > Just went to: http://www.pld.org.pl/
> > It is now a web site for what appears to be the Polish ministry
> > of transportation....
> 
> Well...
> Don't you like our goverment? ;)
> 
> You had to be really unlucky - It works for me now.

Works for me too - really strange.  If it happens again, I'll
get the IP number to see if there's a DNS problem somewhere.

Bob
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Thu Aug  9 22:01:00 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What is with the web site????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091300130.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Just got:

http://www.pld.org.pl/

[snip]

Warning: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: No pg_hba.conf entry for 
host 212.14.45.162, user pldnewsreader, database pldwwwdata in 
/home/services/wwwpld/public_html/main.en.php on line 43
 B?ad po??czenia z baz? danych




From vancleef at microunity.com  Thu Aug  9 22:38:49 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108081225170.9089-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091301030.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Just attempted my first PLD installation.  So far, no good.

I appear to have ended up with some empty partitions...

First problem - /src/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir[.gz] not found


Second problem - I tried to customize the partitioning.  I selected
the following partitions in the installation setup program.
	1	/boot		10M
	2	/		20%
	3	swap		300M
	4	/altboot	20%
	5	/s1		100% of remaining

I saw the following while running the batch installation script.

running parted -s /dev/hda mkpart logical ext2 7947.160 19092.859
Error: Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/hda

parted print

	 ... 0.000 - 19092.937
	1     .031 -     7.844	ext2
	2    7.844 -  3827....  ext2
	3 3827.... -  4126....
	4 4126.... - 19092.... extended
	5 4126.... -  7946.... logical

I attempted to run parted manually and got the same error.

I'm heading back to rerun the installation, with the default
partitioning scheme.

Bob


From vancleef at microunity.com  Thu Aug  9 23:04:20 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091301030.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091401550.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


FYI - I followed up with an install attempt that selected the default
partition sizes.  The partitions were created without problem, but
the partions were left basically empty, just a couple of empty 
directories, but no binaries were installed.

This is in spite of the fact that I selected all packages and the file
installation counted from 100...200 up to 1500.......

Bob
On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Bob Van Cleef wrote:

> 
> Just attempted my first PLD installation.  So far, no good.
> 
> I appear to have ended up with some empty partitions...
> 
> First problem - /src/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir[.gz] not found
> 
> 
> Second problem - I tried to customize the partitioning.  I selected
> the following partitions in the installation setup program.
> 	1	/boot		10M
> 	2	/		20%
> 	3	swap		300M
> 	4	/altboot	20%
> 	5	/s1		100% of remaining
> 
> I saw the following while running the batch installation script.
> 
> running parted -s /dev/hda mkpart logical ext2 7947.160 19092.859
> Error: Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/hda
> 
> parted print
> 
> 	 ... 0.000 - 19092.937
> 	1     .031 -     7.844	ext2
> 	2    7.844 -  3827....  ext2
> 	3 3827.... -  4126....
> 	4 4126.... - 19092.... extended
> 	5 4126.... -  7946.... logical
> 
> I attempted to run parted manually and got the same error.
> 
> I'm heading back to rerun the installation, with the default
> partitioning scheme.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ________________________
> http://lists.pld.org.pl/
> 

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MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.         FAX (408) 734-8136
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Aug 10 14:22:01 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:22:01 +0200
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091301030.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010810142201.A13836@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 01:38:49PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 
> Just attempted my first PLD installation.  So far, no good.
> 
> I appear to have ended up with some empty partitions...
> 
> First problem - /src/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir[.gz] not found
> 

This shouldn't present major problem, since poldek (rpm's installer)
is able to work without if run from local media. 

BTW: maybe we can include this file on cdrom, since it speeds up
loading headers?

> Second problem - I tried to customize the partitioning.  I selected
> the following partitions in the installation setup program.
> 	1	/boot		10M
> 	2	/		20%
> 	3	swap		300M
> 	4	/altboot	20%
> 	5	/s1		100% of remaining
> 
> I saw the following while running the batch installation script.
> 
> running parted -s /dev/hda mkpart logical ext2 7947.160 19092.859
> Error: Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/hda

Maybe try 99% for /s1? This is possibly bug in parted.

> parted print
> 
> 	 ... 0.000 - 19092.937
> 	1     .031 -     7.844	ext2
> 	2    7.844 -  3827....  ext2
> 	3 3827.... -  4126....
> 	4 4126.... - 19092.... extended
> 	5 4126.... -  7946.... logical
> 
> I attempted to run parted manually and got the same error.

Could you show fraction from extended partiton? Maybe it took
some space, and therefore it is impossible to make partion
till the exact end of the disk...


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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Aug 10 14:23:39 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:23:39 +0200
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108091401550.12764-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010810142339.B13836@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:04:20PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 
> FYI - I followed up with an install attempt that selected the default
> partition sizes.  The partitions were created without problem, but
> the partions were left basically empty, just a couple of empty 
> directories, but no binaries were installed.

Maybe you could cite last few messages from installation?
After 100...200... etc?

> This is in spite of the fact that I selected all packages and the file
> installation counted from 100...200 up to 1500.......

This only means that poldek has loaded packages' headers
and knows about their presence...

Best regards

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From vancleef at microunity.com  Fri Aug 10 17:43:47 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <20010810142201.A13836@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108100840530.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 01:38:49PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > 
[snip]
> > Second problem - I tried to customize the partitioning.  I selected
> > the following partitions in the installation setup program.
> > 	1	/boot		10M
> > 	2	/		20%
> > 	3	swap		300M
> > 	4	/altboot	20%
> > 	5	/s1		100% of remaining
> > 
> > I saw the following while running the batch installation script.
> > 
> > running parted -s /dev/hda mkpart logical ext2 7947.160 19092.859
> > Error: Invalid argument during seek for write on /dev/hda
> 
> Maybe try 99% for /s1? This is possibly bug in parted.
> 
> > parted print
> > 
> > 	 ... 0.000 - 19092.937
> > 	1     .031 -     7.844	ext2
> > 	2    7.844 -  3827....  ext2
> > 	3 3827.... -  4126....
> > 	4 4126.... - 19092.... extended
> > 	5 4126.... -  7946.... logical
> > 
> > I attempted to run parted manually and got the same error.
> 
> Could you show fraction from extended partiton? Maybe it took
> some space, and therefore it is impossible to make partion
> till the exact end of the disk...

When I attempted to create the fifth partition manually, I tried
a variety of different numbers, tweaking both the starting number
from 7947.160 to 8000 and the ending number from 19092.859 to 18000.
It's more like it doesn't like adding the sixth partition.

Bob
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Fri Aug 10 17:45:06 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <20010810142339.B13836@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108100844000.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:04:20PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > 
> > FYI - I followed up with an install attempt that selected the default
> > partition sizes.  The partitions were created without problem, but
> > the partions were left basically empty, just a couple of empty 
> > directories, but no binaries were installed.
> 
> Maybe you could cite last few messages from installation?
> After 100...200... etc?

I'll go back and run a re-installation.  I do not remember any error 
messages at all and did not record any in my notes.

[snip]

Bob
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Fri Aug 10 18:35:26 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108100844000.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108100924430.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:04:20PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > > 
> > > FYI - I followed up with an install attempt that selected the default
> > > partition sizes.  The partitions were created without problem, but
> > > the partions were left basically empty, just a couple of empty 
> > > directories, but no binaries were installed.
> > 
> > Maybe you could cite last few messages from installation?
> > After 100...200... etc?
> 
> I'll go back and run a re-installation.  I do not remember any error 
> messages at all and did not record any in my notes.

1 - I saw an error, but, as a first-timer, didn't realize it was an error 
message: Poldeck: Buggy package set
I would recommend expanding it to something like:
	Poldeck: Fatal error - buggy package set

2 - If I do not change the package selections, the installation
appears to run - it is running as I type on another system.
    If I select all packages, it fails.
    If I only add:
	Apache web server + PHP
	MySQL database server
    it still fails.

Running "installer | more" I see:
	broken dependencies
		apache-mod_perl-1.26-1
		mysql-bench-3.23.39.-1
		mysql-extras-perl-3.23.39-1
		(and others)
	not found
		php - a bunch of stuff
		rsynch and others

Recommendation:
	Have installer keep a log so that the output could be
reviewed for errors.

Of course, apache, php and mysql are central to my interest in
this distribution, so this is a disappointment.

Bob
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Aug 10 22:53:21 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:53:21 +0200
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108100924430.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010810225321.C19448@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 09:35:26AM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 02:04:20PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > FYI - I followed up with an install attempt that selected the default
> > > > partition sizes.  The partitions were created without problem, but
> > > > the partions were left basically empty, just a couple of empty 
> > > > directories, but no binaries were installed.
> > > 
> > > Maybe you could cite last few messages from installation?
> > > After 100...200... etc?
> > 
> > I'll go back and run a re-installation.  I do not remember any error 
> > messages at all and did not record any in my notes.
> 
> 1 - I saw an error, but, as a first-timer, didn't realize it was an error 
> message: Poldeck: Buggy package set
> I would recommend expanding it to something like:
> 	Poldeck: Fatal error - buggy package set

Yes, you're right.

> 2 - If I do not change the package selections, the installation
> appears to run - it is running as I type on another system.
>     If I select all packages, it fails.
>     If I only add:
> 	Apache web server + PHP
> 	MySQL database server
>     it still fails.
> 
> Running "installer | more" I see:
> 	broken dependencies
> 		apache-mod_perl-1.26-1
> 		mysql-bench-3.23.39.-1
> 		mysql-extras-perl-3.23.39-1
> 		(and others)
> 	not found
> 		php - a bunch of stuff
> 		rsynch and others

I don't know what it is exactly. Anyway you surly can install
base and then add apache. I hope we'll be able to fix it soon, though.

> Recommendation:
> 	Have installer keep a log so that the output could be
> reviewed for errors.

It's kept. In /var/log/installer afair.

> 
> Of course, apache, php and mysql are central to my interest in
> this distribution, so this is a disappointment.

Well, I have them running... :)

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From vancleef at microunity.com  Fri Aug 10 23:15:24 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <20010810225321.C19448@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108101414080.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Thanks for the response.

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:

[snip]

> I don't know what it is exactly. Anyway you surly can install
> base and then add apache. I hope we'll be able to fix it soon, though.

That is what I will do on Monday.
 
> > Recommendation:
> > 	Have installer keep a log so that the output could be
> > reviewed for errors.
> 
> It's kept. In /var/log/installer afair.

Add a note to /etc/motd mentioning that ...


Bob


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Aug 10 23:36:25 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:36:25 +0200
Subject: Problems with x86 installation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108101414080.15923-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010810233625.A20054@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:15:24PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response.
> 
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > > Recommendation:
> > > 	Have installer keep a log so that the output could be
> > > reviewed for errors.
> > 
> > It's kept. In /var/log/installer afair.
> 
> Add a note to /etc/motd mentioning that ...

Done.

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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Aug 13 13:33:36 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:33:36 +0200
Subject: joinpasswd
Message-ID: <20010813133336.A21899@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

Hello,

Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.

I wonder if there can by an voices against running such program in %post
of setup*rpm? 

I would link it agains uClibc, staticly, so it doesn't require glibc.
It is under 2k then, so there shouldn't be any major size problems.

Any comments?

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Mon Aug 13 13:39:50 2001
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:39:50 +0200
Subject: joinpasswd
In-Reply-To: <20010813133336.A21899@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <20010813133950.A1844@misiek.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
> passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
> It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
> exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
> cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.
I like the idea. And how about same tool for merging group.rpmnew?

> I wonder if there can by an voices against running such program in %post
> of setup*rpm? 
Again, I like the idea. But I think it should make a backup of old
passwd and group files. Or maybe creating backup should be implemented
in join* program?

Does this program sort file by *id?
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Aug 13 13:54:26 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:54:26 +0200
Subject: joinpasswd
In-Reply-To: <20010813133950.A1844@misiek.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20010813135426.A22210@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:39:50PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
> > passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
> > It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
> > exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
> > cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.
> I like the idea. And how about same tool for merging group.rpmnew?

& Co means group and shadow too... :)

> 
> > I wonder if there can by an voices against running such program in %post
> > of setup*rpm? 
> Again, I like the idea. But I think it should make a backup of old
> passwd and group files. Or maybe creating backup should be implemented
> in join* program?

Yes, you're right, I will add backup.

> Does this program sort file by *id?

No, it (join passwd) doesn't even understand what it does. It simply
copies the lines. ArekM suggested me, jest few minutes ago, adding 
such option to {pw,gr}ck in shadow.  I will do this.

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From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Mon Aug 13 15:07:13 2001
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:07:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: joinpasswd
In-Reply-To: <20010813135426.A22210@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131506020.31249-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:39:50PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > > Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
> > > passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
> > > It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
> > > exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
> > > cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.
> > I like the idea. And how about same tool for merging group.rpmnew?
> 
> & Co means group and shadow too... :)

shadow isn't neccessary (also gshadow). After update passwd for regenerate 
{g,}shadow can be runed pwconv.

kloczek
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Aug 13 15:22:33 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:22:33 +0200
Subject: joinpasswd
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131506020.31249-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010813152233.A23436@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 03:07:13PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:39:50PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > > > Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
> > > > passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
> > > > It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
> > > > exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
> > > > cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.
> > > I like the idea. And how about same tool for merging group.rpmnew?
> > 
> > & Co means group and shadow too... :)
> 
> shadow isn't neccessary (also gshadow). After update passwd for regenerate 
> {g,}shadow can be runed pwconv.

Then setup would require shadow, glibc, /bin/sh. This ain't good idea.
And yes, gotta add gshadow.

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From wrobell at ite.pl  Mon Aug 13 17:46:08 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:46:08 +0200
Subject: wrobell: SPECS gnumeric.spec
In-Reply-To: <20010813152910.E2F76E1076@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010813174607.E1939@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 05:29:10PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> Module name:	SPECS
> Changes by:	wrobell	01/08/13 17:29:10
> 
> Modified files:
> 	.              : gnumeric.spec 
> 
> Log message:
> - ver. 0.69

& BTW -> STB

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Mon Aug 13 18:40:57 2001
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:40:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: joinpasswd
In-Reply-To: <20010813152233.A23436@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131840170.31249-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
[..]
> > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:33:36PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > > > > Lukasz Dobrek, on Friday, suggested me writing tool for adding new users from
> > > > > passwd.rpmnew (& Co) files created by setup package upgrade.
> > > > > It is fairly simple, it looks if given user (string follwed by ':') already
> > > > > exists, and if not entire line is added. I have commited it to setup
> > > > > cvs module, file joinpasswd.c.
> > > > I like the idea. And how about same tool for merging group.rpmnew?
> > > 
> > > & Co means group and shadow too... :)
> > 
> > shadow isn't neccessary (also gshadow). After update passwd for regenerate 
> > {g,}shadow can be runed pwconv.
> 
> Then setup would require shadow, glibc, /bin/sh. This ain't good idea.
> And yes, gotta add gshadow.

Yes. In this case you are right.

kloczek
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From aredridel at nbtsc.org  Mon Aug 13 18:51:54 2001
From: aredridel at nbtsc.org (Aredridel)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:51:54 -0700
Subject: Changelogs
Message-ID: <E15WKwV-0006Jk-00@tauceti.internal.nbtsc.org>

I just had an idea.  Should the changelogs in .spec files be changelogs of
the package, and not the spec?  The information would be far more useful to
the user, and CVS log messages would provide a place to detail spec changes
in a manner better for the developer. 

Any thoughts?

(By the way, thanks for the best distro I've used yet.  PLD works the way
I imagine things should.)

Aredridel


From baggins at sith.mimuw.edu.pl  Mon Aug 13 19:19:55 2001
From: baggins at sith.mimuw.edu.pl (Jan Rekorajski)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:55 +0200
Subject: Changelogs
In-Reply-To: <E15WKwV-0006Jk-00@tauceti.internal.nbtsc.org>; from aredridel@nbtsc.org on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 09:51:54AM -0700
References: <E15WKwV-0006Jk-00@tauceti.internal.nbtsc.org>
Message-ID: <20010813191955.A2681@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>

[poniedzia?ek, 13 sierpie? 2001], Aredridel napisa?(a):

> I just had an idea.  Should the changelogs in .spec files be changelogs of
> the package, and not the spec?  The information would be far more useful to
> the user, and CVS log messages would provide a place to detail spec changes
> in a manner better for the developer. 
> 
> Any thoughts?

I don't think this is a good idea. Changelogs of the package (if present)
are placed in /usr/share/doc/%{pacgage} so there is no problem seeing
what changed with each version. And .spec files change also between
releases and you do want to see quickly who did it and what changed.

Jan
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Mon Aug 13 23:22:50 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation.
In-Reply-To: <20010813191955.A2681@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131405490.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


Hi;

Version pld-i386-1.iso

I take the standard file partitioning, do not make any changes
in the package selection menu, define a DHCP eth0 network...
Install, reboot

1 - Log in as the normal user:  
    Things look normal, but no network defined.
    Cannot su to root:
	"su: incorrect password"
    No error listed in any of the /var/log files...

2 - Log in as root: (using password that failed in previous step)
	"sh: No controlling tty (open /dev/tty: No such device or address)"
	"sh: warning: won't have full job control"
    ls -l /dev/tty
	"crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5,0 ... /dev/tty"
    If you try to run anything that is interactive, like vi, you see:
	"[1] + stopped (tty output) vi /etc/group"

The networking files in /etc/sysconfig/ aren't setup correctly, but
I can't edit them with either vi or ex.  The normal user account does
not have problems with job control, but cannot su.

3 - Haven't figured out how to go to single user when booting, but by 
    using "telinit s" I went to single user to see if I could edit
    anything.  Not only did I see the same job control issue, but
    when it placed my vi process into background mode I lost all
    keyboard control, except for CNT/ALT/DEL.

I have run multiple complete reinstalls, selecting the defaults on
everything because of my problems with the package lists last week.
Each time, the symptoms are identical.  Interesting that only root
has the job control issue.

Bob
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From aredridel at nbtsc.org  Tue Aug 14 01:25:59 2001
From: aredridel at nbtsc.org (Aredridel)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:25:59 -0700
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation. 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:22:50 PDT."
             <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131405490.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com> 
Message-ID: <E15WR5s-0001PR-00@tauceti.internal.nbtsc.org>

> 1 - Log in as the normal user:  
>     Things look normal, but no network defined.
>     Cannot su to root:
> 	"su: incorrect password"
>     No error listed in any of the /var/log files...

pam_wheel does not log failures, I noticed, and it is enabled per default.
If you either add the user to the wheel group or disable pam_wheel in
/etc/pam.d/su, this will work.

> 3 - Haven't figured out how to go to single user when booting, but by 
>     using "telinit s" I went to single user to see if I could edit
>     anything.  Not only did I see the same job control issue, but
>     when it placed my vi process into background mode I lost all
>     keyboard control, except for CNT/ALT/DEL.

appending "1" to the kernel boot command line should toss you into single
user mode. 

I'm not sure on the other issues, but that's what I know so far.

Aredridel


From vancleef at microunity.com  Tue Aug 14 01:44:03 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation. 
In-Reply-To: <E15WR5s-0001PR-00@tauceti.internal.nbtsc.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131641220.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Aredridel wrote:

> > 1 - Log in as the normal user:  
> >     Things look normal, but no network defined.
> >     Cannot su to root:
> > 	"su: incorrect password"
> >     No error listed in any of the /var/log files...
> 
> pam_wheel does not log failures, I noticed, and it is enabled per default.
> If you either add the user to the wheel group or disable pam_wheel in
> /etc/pam.d/su, this will work.

Thanks for the pointer.  I had tried adding the username to the root
group, but that didn't work. Unfortunately, I cannot edit any files, so
this won't help.

> 
> > 3 - Haven't figured out how to go to single user when booting, but by 
> >     using "telinit s" I went to single user to see if I could edit
> >     anything.  Not only did I see the same job control issue, but
> >     when it placed my vi process into background mode I lost all
> >     keyboard control, except for CNT/ALT/DEL.
> 
> appending "1" to the kernel boot command line should toss you into single
> user mode. 

How do you get the kernel boot command line to show?  It appears to jump 
directly into booting linux with no delay at the "lilo" prompt.

> I'm not sure on the other issues, but that's what I know so far.

Thanks for the pointer to pam.

> Aredridel
> 
> ________________________
> http://lists.pld.org.pl/
> 

Bob
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Tue Aug 14 03:04:05 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 03:04:05 +0200
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131641220.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010814030405.A4003@dk.wroc.pl>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:44:03PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
[...] 
> How do you get the kernel boot command line to show?  It appears to jump 
> directly into booting linux with no delay at the "lilo" prompt.
keep shift key down, then prompt should appear...

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From vancleef at microunity.com  Tue Aug 14 02:48:50 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:48:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation.
In-Reply-To: <20010814030405.A4003@dk.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131748290.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, wrobell wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:44:03PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> [...] 
> > How do you get the kernel boot command line to show?  It appears to jump 
> > directly into booting linux with no delay at the "lilo" prompt.
> keep shift key down, then prompt should appear...

Thanks - I'll try that tomorrow morning.


From qboosh at prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl  Tue Aug 14 18:38:36 2001
From: qboosh at prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Jakub Bogusz)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:38:36 +0200
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108131405490.25164-100000@arwin.microunity.com>
Message-ID: <20010814183836.A17458@satan.blackhosts>

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:22:50PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> 2 - Log in as root: (using password that failed in previous step)
> 	"sh: No controlling tty (open /dev/tty: No such device or address)"
> 	"sh: warning: won't have full job control"
>     ls -l /dev/tty
> 	"crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5,0 ... /dev/tty"
>     If you try to run anything that is interactive, like vi, you see:
> 	"[1] + stopped (tty output) vi /etc/group"

Something is wrong with /bin/login or /bin/sh.
If you have bash installed and type "chsh -s /bin/bash" after logging in
as root, then log out and log in again (with new shell) - it will work.


-- 
Jakub Bogusz
http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~qboosh/


From vancleef at microunity.com  Tue Aug 14 20:54:56 2001
From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: System Unusable after initial installation.
In-Reply-To: <20010814183836.A17458@satan.blackhosts>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108141154260.28094-100000@arwin.microunity.com>


On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jakub Bogusz wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:22:50PM -0700, Bob Van Cleef wrote:
> > 2 - Log in as root: (using password that failed in previous step)
> > 	"sh: No controlling tty (open /dev/tty: No such device or address)"
> > 	"sh: warning: won't have full job control"
> >     ls -l /dev/tty
> > 	"crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5,0 ... /dev/tty"
> >     If you try to run anything that is interactive, like vi, you see:
> > 	"[1] + stopped (tty output) vi /etc/group"
> 
> Something is wrong with /bin/login or /bin/sh.
> If you have bash installed and type "chsh -s /bin/bash" after logging in
> as root, then log out and log in again (with new shell) - it will work.

Thanks - That fixed that problem - Now on to the next one. <grin>

Bob
-- 
><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>
Bob Van Cleef, Member of Technical Staff         (408) 734-8100
MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.         FAX (408) 734-8136
376 Martin Ave., Santa Clara, CA 95050  vancleef at microunity.com


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Sat Aug 18 13:54:43 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:54:43 +0200
Subject: malekith: SOURCES parted-lseek64.patch
In-Reply-To: <20010818113930.587C5E1076@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010818135443.A28113@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 01:39:30PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> Module name:	SOURCES
> Changes by:	malekith	01/08/18 13:39:30
> 
> Added files:
> 	.              : parted-lseek64.patch 
> 
> Log message:
> - this patch workarounds problems with {g,uc}libc i calling lseek()
>   and not llseek() for offsets >= 0x80000000. using lseek64() instead
>   of lseek() (which should be the same) seems to fix the problem

It would be nice if somebody take a look on glibc, since it seems
to be bug there. sizeof(off_t) == 8, but it doesn't work
as lseek64... 

-- 
: Michal ``,/\/\,       '' Moskal    | |            : GCS {C,UL}++++$
:          |    |alekith      @    |)|(| . org . pl : {E--, W, w-,M}-
:                                  |                : {b,e>+}++ !tv h
: Current project:  http://aleph-0.dhs.org/ywindow/ : PLD Team member


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Aug 20 11:18:54 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:18:54 +0200
Subject: saq: SPECS uClibc.spec
In-Reply-To: <20010819202430.7D396E1076@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010820111854.A31636@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 10:24:30PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> Module name:	SPECS
> Changes by:	saq	01/08/19 22:24:30
> 
> Modified files:
> 	.              : uClibc.spec 
> 
> Log message:
> - using %%_kernelsrcdir
> - WARNING: doesn't build

I don't think it's good idea... having two versions of uclibc is same
as having two versions of glibc. I guess it should be always build
with kernel 2.4 headers, for example to enable pivot_root() syscall.

-- 
: Michal ``,/\/\,       '' Moskal    | |            : GCS {C,UL}++++$
:          |    |alekith      @    |)|(| . org . pl : {E--, W, w-,M}-
:                                  |                : {b,e>+}++ !tv h
: Current project:  http://aleph-0.dhs.org/ywindow/ : PLD Team member


From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Mon Aug 20 19:07:10 2001
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Sakowski?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:07:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: saq: SPECS uClibc.spec
In-Reply-To: <20010820111854.A31636@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108201813090.2349-100000@jupiter.sakowski.eu.org>

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> > Log message:
> > - using %%_kernelsrcdir
> > - WARNING: doesn't build
> 
> I don't think it's good idea... having two versions of uclibc is same
> as having two versions of glibc.

It's not meant for having two different versions of uClibc. Then why use
%_kernelsrcdir? Somebody might use /usr/src/linux for kernel hacking, test
builds, building kernels for other systems (or anything else) and store
proper kernel headers in another directory, e.g. /usr/src/linux-2.4.9. In
this case all you have to do is echo '%_kernelsrcdir
/usr/src/linux-2.4.9'>>~/.rpmmacros.

> I guess it should be always build
> with kernel 2.4 headers, for example to enable pivot_root() syscall.

Then you should be happy for the change ;-) Even if you use a 2.2 kernel 
and store its sources in /usr/src/linux, you can force another kernel 
source directory (even if it's stored not in /usr/src/, but in $HOME).

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From smlee at explore.gwu.ac.kr  Wed Aug 22 14:44:41 2001
From: smlee at explore.gwu.ac.kr (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wMy9wrnO?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:44:41 +0900
Subject: [Q] IPv6 ftp site?
Message-ID: <002a01c12b08$36a0dfd0$7b418680@cupid>

Hi, everyone!

I am developping a IPv6 tunneling code with module

I want to reference a PLD IPv6 ftp site.

Is a ftp site (ftp.ipv6.pld.org.pl) unavailable?

And have ever fourtun code (IPv4 in IPv6 tunneling) compiled
under kernel 2.2.x and kernel 2.4.x? 


****************************************************
Seung-Min Lee
Students
Communication Protocol Engineering Lab.
School of Electronics Engineering
Kwangwoon Univeristy
Tel: +82-(0)2-940-5552
H.P: +82-(0)11-9097-6777
****************************************************

From smlee at explore.gwu.ac.kr  Wed Aug 22 15:01:22 2001
From: smlee at explore.gwu.ac.kr (Seung-Min Lee)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:01:22 +0900
Subject: [Q] IPv6 ftp site?
Message-ID: <004401c12b0a$8b3a84e0$7b418680@cupid>

Hi, everyone!

I am developping a IPv6 tunneling code with module

I want to reference a PLD IPv6 ftp site.

Is a ftp site (ftp.ipv6.pld.org.pl) unavailable?

And have ever fourtun code (IPv4 in IPv6 tunneling) compiled
under kernel 2.2.x and kernel 2.4.x? 

****************************************************
Seung-Min Lee
Students
Communication Protocol Engineering Lab.
School of Electronics Engineering
Kwangwoon Univeristy
Tel: +82-(0)2-940-5552
H.P: +82-(0)11-9097-6777
****************************************************

From wrobell at ite.pl  Thu Aug 23 11:35:10 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:35:10 +0200
Subject: filon: SPECS ibm-java-sdk.spec
In-Reply-To: <20010822173050.33584E1076@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010823113510.A2002@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:30:50PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> Module name:	SPECS
> Changes by:	filon	01/08/22 19:30:50
> 
> Modified files:
> 	.              : ibm-java-sdk.spec 
> 
> Log message:
> - added Provides: java
> - added Provides: jar
I  don't think,  that it  is good  idea. This  spec provides
functionality of java 1.3  and probably 1.2 but not
i.e. 1.1.x  (kafee does).  There are java  application which
will never build or run on 1.1.x and on other side you can
still meet apps which require java 1.1.x.

When java 1.4 arrives there can be some incopatibilies
between 1.3 and 1.4 so I think that adding "Provides: java"
is not sufficient and there should be java global version,
i.e. "Provides: java1.3" and "Provides: java1.3sdk".

[...]

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From wrobell at ite.pl  Thu Aug 23 11:40:55 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:40:55 +0200
Subject: filon: SPECS ibm-java-sdk.spec
In-Reply-To: <20010823113510.A2002@pred.posexperts.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010823114055.B2002@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:30:50PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> > Module name:	SPECS
> > Changes by:	filon	01/08/22 19:30:50
> > 
> > Modified files:
> > 	.              : ibm-java-sdk.spec 
> > 
> > Log message:
> > - added Provides: java
> > - added Provides: jar
And one more thing. You introduced some good changes.
I mean java sdk packages should provide java1.3 and java1.3sdk
and non sdk packages should provide only java1.3.

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From bonkey at sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl  Fri Aug 31 14:48:03 2001
From: bonkey at sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl (Daniel Bauke)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:48:03 +0200
Subject: including resin-cmp into free linux distribution
Message-ID: <20010831144803.A29194@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

Hello

I'm writing you to get a permission to prepare and include rpm
package containing your resin-cmp-1.0.1.tar.gz into our linux
distribution. 

Our distro is not commercial, we are not selling it and we are
not paid for preparing it. We develop PLD only for our own
purposes -- to have a consistent set of programs which are used
in different environments prepared by us. 

The main branch of the distribution is available for download
from our ftp site as separated packages and as cdrom images as
well. Sometimes it is distributed on cdroms included into
magazines, but we do not get any money for it, too.

We have got also a non-distributable "supported" area. We keep it
in CVS repository and it contains software which licenses do not
allow to include to the main branch.

Is it possible to include resin-cmp into the main branch of our
distribution under such circumstances or shall we have it only in
"supported" area? It would be glad to have it as a normal
package, which would make it easier to download and use since
not all PLD users are capable enough to use CVS repository.

Regards
Daniel Bauke

-- 
Daniel Bauke <bonkey at pld.org.pl>
PLD Linux developer http://www.pld.org.pl


From wrobell at ite.pl  Fri Aug 31 16:41:06 2001
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:41:06 +0200
Subject: python 2.1.1
Message-ID: <20010831164106.B2018@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

There is Python 2.1.1 in test directory on ftp site.
Please, test it. It will go to PLD-1.0 in
the middle of next week, I hope.

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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