From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar 31 20:13:21 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:13:21 +0200
Subject: libc, Qt-apps crashes and other bugs
In-Reply-To: <20010331183236.B22619@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>; from baggins-pld@sith.mimuw.edu.pl on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 06:32:36PM +0200
References: <20010331122102.A3866@nic.nigdzie> <20010331183236.B22619@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010331201320.A5132@nic.nigdzie>

On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 06:32:36PM +0200, Jan Rekorajski wrote:
> It should be:
> %_install_langs C en pl de en_US pl_PL de_DE
> 
> rpm sucks here and pl != pl_PL.
> 
> > And reinstalled glibc. Everything works good now. It seems some file(s) in
> > glibc*.rpm are marked with %lang(something) although they should always be
> > installed. I am not sure which file(s) is it, though.
> 
> I guess by telling rpm "pl" you didn't install locale definitions in
> /usr/lib/locale.

It didn't work even if no locale was set or the locale set was "C". So
"pl" or "pl_PL" should make no difference.
But maybe it was problem with en_* (C is link to en, and en is link to
en_something_). IMHO C,and en locale should not be marked with "%lang".

Greets,
        Jacek


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Sat Mar  3 17:19:17 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:19:17 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: BUG_REPORT: SDL-Dependencies]
Message-ID: <20010303171917.A16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>

Just a forward
Lukasz
----- Forwarded message from Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de> -----

Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:37:30 +0100
From: Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de>
Subject: BUG_REPORT: SDL-Dependencies
To: Lukas Dobrek <dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de>

Hello Lukas !
I am pretty sure the following dependencies are not correct:

  SDL-1.1.8-1.i686.rpm
    ->libartsc.so.0 is needed by SDL-1.1.8-1
    ->arts is needed by SDL-1.1.8-1
  arts-2.0.1-4.i686.rpm
    ->kdelibs = 2.0.1 is needed by arts-2.0.1-4
    ->libkmedia2_idl.so.0 is needed by arts-2.0.1-4
    ->libmcop.so.0 is needed by arts-2.0.1-4
    ->libsoundserver_idl.so.0 is needed by arts-2.0.1-4
    ->kdelibs is needed by arts-2.0.1-4

You can use SDL without KDE. If you want I can ask my brother because
he is programming with SDL. Somehow the packager was unlucky to make
these dependencies.

Please forward it to the appropriate place (and no, we once tried that
I should post on the pld-bug-list but my mail was rejected, so I
cannot do it).

Regards

       Helge

P.S. Both rpms were just pulled from ftp.pld.org.pl to be sure.
-- 
Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys.                      kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de
         For gpg-key: finger kreutzm at rigel.itp.uni-hannover.de
    64bit GNU powered                  http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm
       Help keep free software "libre": http://www.freepatents.org/

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
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Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Sat Mar  3 17:19:43 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:19:43 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: more bugs]
Message-ID: <20010303171943.B16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>

And the next one.
Lukasz

----- Forwarded message from Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de> -----

Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:50:03 +0100
From: Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de>
Subject: more bugs
To: Lukas Dobrek <dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de>

Hello Lukas !
First of all printing ascii-files still produces one page per sheet. I
looked into the magicfile and the man page but I do not understand
those codes (as I read the man page this are printer specific codes).
So I see that plain failes get somehow modified in the printer. I
thought they got piped through a programm (but psutils et.al are even
not installed on pele).

Secondly there is no emacs. While this is not a bug I could not
reproduce the intented action with xemacs and so I would say it is a
bug with xemacs ? Btw. some reason in favor for xemacs instead of
emacs ?

Bug 2a): xemacs detects fortran code but fails to load the appropriate
         .el-file (complains)
    2b) There is no "diff"-mode or it is hidden. This was the reason I
        started (x)emacs in the first place.

Regards

       Helge
-- 
Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys.                      kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de
         For gpg-key: finger kreutzm at rigel.itp.uni-hannover.de
    64bit GNU powered                  http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm
       Help keep free software "libre": http://www.freepatents.org/

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
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Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Sat Mar  3 17:50:58 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:50:58 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: more bugs]
In-Reply-To: <20010303171943.B16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>; from dobrek@itp.uni-hannover.de on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:19:43PM +0100
References: <20010303171943.B16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010303175058.A16557@alya.uni-hannover.de>

Im sorry I have a small hangover. It should not be forwarded. :))
Somtimes users complains without the good reason.

Take Care
Lukasz

-- 
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Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Sat Mar  3 19:41:59 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:41:59 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: BUG_REPORT: SDL-Dependencies]
In-Reply-To: <20010303171917.A16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>; from dobrek@itp.uni-hannover.de on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:19:17PM +0100
References: <20010303171917.A16300@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010303194159.A22658@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

On/Dnia Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:19:17PM +0100, Lukas Dobrek wrote/napisa?(a)
> Hello Lukas !
> I am pretty sure the following dependencies are not correct:
> 
>   SDL-1.1.8-1.i686.rpm
>     ->libartsc.so.0 is needed by SDL-1.1.8-1
>     ->arts is needed by SDL-1.1.8-1
>   arts-2.0.1-4.i686.rpm
>     ->kdelibs = 2.0.1 is needed by arts-2.0.1-4
> 
> You can use SDL without KDE. 
Yes. It's possible but you are loosing abitlity to use aRts through SDL.
We probably turn off aRts support in SDL (temporary) while I'll try to convince
SDL development team to use some kind of plugins system :-)

> Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys.                      kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar  3 17:24:19 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:24:19 +0100
Subject: /etc/sysconfig/clock
Message-ID: <20010303172419.B2624@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

Why is /etc/sysconfig/clock removed from rc-scripts again? Where should
I set "UTC=yes" now? This thing is quite important, as keeping hardware
time in other format than UTC is not very good thing (although some OSes
supports only local time).

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar  3 17:21:30 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:21:30 +0100
Subject: firewall-init for iptables
Message-ID: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie>

I have installed 2.4.2 kernel on two machines. I wanted to check the new
firewall-init too. I was never using old firewall-init as it wasn't good
for using all Linux ipchains features. The new code is much better at
this point, but I still don't like it much.
But it is great, that configuration is split by tables/chains/protocols
and that new chains can be defined (I don't think it was possible in old
firewall-init).

1. A lot of things are hard-codded in
/etc/sysconfig/firewall.d/functions. Especially icmp handling. Should'n
the admin be the one who decides which packets are to be dropped?

2. If the config files are supposed to contain iptables rules, why have
I put "$iptables" there? And why should I define some functions?

3. It doesn't seem to work with 2.4.2-1 kernel --- IPv6 logging and
icmpv6 stuff. But it seems the kernel and iptables in CVS are fixed.

And one more thing documentation (in /usr/share/doc) is not accessible
for normal user. I don't like reading docs as root!

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar  3 17:29:50 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:29:50 +0100
Subject: kernel 2.4.x --- devfs
Message-ID: <20010303172950.C2624@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

I have given the new kernel a try. The upgrade was quite easy, but some
things have still to be done.

Someone said, that this kernel will work without devfs. So I booted it
the first time without enabling devfs in /etc/sysconfig/system. It
didn't worked. It seems that something in startup scripts was not able
to find some devices (with filesystems).

After booting with devfs enabled it was much better. Althoug I had to
make some entries in devfsd.conf. IMHO PLD should provide much better
devfsd.conf. Especiall permisions to things like printers should be set
there properly.

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sun Mar  4 10:53:20 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:53:20 +0100
Subject: kernel 2.4.2 i PPP
Message-ID: <20010304105320.A3092@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

In the new kernel my ppp link was not doing well. I can't even say what
exactly was wrong. No DNS trafic was working, but some ssh sessions (to
IP address) worked (at least for some time).
After adding "novj nodeflate nobsdcomp noipv6" (I didn't have time and
money to check options one by one) to PPPOPTIONS it works.
The machine on the other end is Linux too (2.2.x) so it is not "broken
VJ in Windows" problem.

Anybody knows what is the problem?
I would rather like to have IPv6 and compression on this link.

Greets,
        Jacek


From baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl  Sun Mar  4 15:43:10 2001
From: baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl (Jan Rekorajski)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:43:10 +0100
Subject: firewall-init for iptables
In-Reply-To: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:21:30PM +0100
References: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010304154310.A13029@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>

[sobota, 03 marzec 2001], Jacek Konieczny napisa?(a):

> I have installed 2.4.2 kernel on two machines. I wanted to check the new
> firewall-init too. I was never using old firewall-init as it wasn't good
> for using all Linux ipchains features. The new code is much better at
> this point, but I still don't like it much.
> But it is great, that configuration is split by tables/chains/protocols
> and that new chains can be defined (I don't think it was possible in old
> firewall-init).

What version did you use? It's under development so the latest and greatest
you can get from CVS (cvs co -r IPTABLES firewall-init).

> 1. A lot of things are hard-codded in
> /etc/sysconfig/firewall.d/functions. Especially icmp handling. Should'n
> the admin be the one who decides which packets are to be dropped?

I moved two functions that create extra chains to separate file,
/etc/sysconfig/firewall.d/functions.rules. You can alway change the rules,
the ones that are defined are safe defaults.
All files inder /etc/sysconfig/firewall.d are tagged as config(noreplace)
so your changes should be safe.

> 2. If the config files are supposed to contain iptables rules, why have
> I put "$iptables" there? And why should I define some functions?

I know this is may be a pain, look at the setup_rules() function,
any suggestion how to fix it is greatly appreciated.

> 3. It doesn't seem to work with 2.4.2-1 kernel --- IPv6 logging and
> icmpv6 stuff. But it seems the kernel and iptables in CVS are fixed.

For IPv6 LOG target you need latest patch-o-matic (included in 2.4.2-2)
icmpv6 is another problem - there is total mess in userland tools how
should it be named and for the time being it just does not work.
I sent a patch to netfilter-devel but Harald told me he is working
on a fix that does not involve patching the kernel so we must wait.

> And one more thing documentation (in /usr/share/doc) is not accessible
> for normal user. I don't like reading docs as root!

Sorry, bug in spec. I'll fix it ASAP.

Janek
-- 
Jan R?korajski            |  ALL SUSPECTS ARE GUILTY. PERIOD!
baggins<at>mimuw.edu.pl   |  OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY?
BOFH, MANIAC              |                   -- TROOPS by Kevin Rubio


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Mon Mar  5 17:54:22 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:54:22 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: ispell, sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl & your boss]
Message-ID: <20010305175421.A27459@alya.uni-hannover.de>


The next forward:
----- Forwarded message from Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de> -----

Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:33:27 +0100
From: Helge Kreutzmann <kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de>
Subject: ispell, sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl & your boss
To: Lukas Dobrek <dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de>

Hallo Lukas !
Since your are currently speaking to your boss this comes by email.
Dagmar asked me for spelling and I saw that ispell is not installed.
So I got it but it conflicts with
[root at pele /root]# rpm -Uhv ~kreutzm/ispell-3.1.20-14.i686.rpm
file /usr/share/info/ispell.info.gz from install of ispell-3.1.20-14
conflicts with file from package xemacs-ispell-pkg-1.21-1

Can I override it or whom should I ask ? I think we should have a
command-line spell checker. In itp ispell is installed. Btw. the
maintainer from SDL mailed me and explained the reasons. Nice.

Regards

        Helge
-- 
Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys.                      kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de
         For gpg-key: finger kreutzm at rigel.itp.uni-hannover.de
    64bit GNU powered                  http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm
       Help keep free software "libre": http://www.freepatents.org/

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Mon Mar  5 18:28:18 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:28:18 +0100
Subject: [kreutzm@itp.uni-hannover.de: ispell, sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl & your boss]
In-Reply-To: <20010305175421.A27459@alya.uni-hannover.de>; from dobrek@itp.uni-hannover.de on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 05:54:22PM +0100
References: <20010305175421.A27459@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010305182818.B4777@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

> So I got it but it conflicts with
> [root at pele /root]# rpm -Uhv ~kreutzm/ispell-3.1.20-14.i686.rpm
> file /usr/share/info/ispell.info.gz from install of ispell-3.1.20-14
> conflicts with file from package xemacs-ispell-pkg-1.21-1
ispell.info.hz should be provided by ispell package only. Fixed
xemacs-ispell-pkg-1.21-2 package should be available on ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/test/ARCH/
in 2 hours (it's already fixed in CVS). 

> Helge Kreutzmann, Dipl.-Phys.                      kreutzm at itp.uni-hannover.de

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Mon Mar  5 18:32:22 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:32:22 +0100
Subject: kernel 2.4.x --- devfs
In-Reply-To: <20010303172950.C2624@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:29:50PM +0100
References: <20010303172950.C2624@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010305183222.C4777@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

On/Dnia Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:29:50PM +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote/napisa?(a)
> Someone said, that this kernel will work without devfs. So I booted it
> the first time without enabling devfs in /etc/sysconfig/system. It
> didn't worked. It seems that something in startup scripts was not able
> to find some devices (with filesystems).
If devfs automount isn't enabled in kernel you must cause mouting it by
rc-scripts and thus enabling it in sysconfig/system.

> Althoug I had to  make some entries in devfsd.conf. IMHO PLD should provide much better
> devfsd.conf. Especiall permisions to things like printers should be set
> there properly.
I also added few CPU microcode && ALSA examples but we need more!
If someone has nice things in devfsd.conf then please post them here.

>         Jacek

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Tue Mar  6 14:25:36 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:25:36 +0100
Subject: X on AXP
Message-ID: <20010306142535.A30473@alya.uni-hannover.de>


Hi Guys!

On AXP the fucking X has hang my komputer. X were/are in version 4.0.1,
it took the 75 percent of CPU on quite fast CPU. The strace shows 
only:

--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) ---
<... sigreturn resumed> )               = ? (mask now [])

What is realy not funny is that after kill -9 pid_of_the_f..._X done from 
remote machine it hangs the computer complytly. I meen network at least.
It happends twice times during last two days. I dont realy now 
what has happend becouse I didnot change any resources during last
to weeks on this machine, and during last to days I had souch a bad
adventures with the X server. It is glide on I repeat AXP. 
I know that this is not enought info but I'm hope that somebody will
ask the proper question:)) Then the solution will come. 

		Take care and let the force be with you,

			The prince of the darknes
						Lukasz Dobrek

-- 
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Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar  6 21:18:48 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:18:48 +0100
Subject: kernel 2.4.x --- devfs
In-Reply-To: <20010305183222.C4777@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>; from misiek@pld.ORG.PL on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 06:32:22PM +0100
References: <20010303172950.C2624@nic.nigdzie> <20010305183222.C4777@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <20010306211848.C2845@nic.nigdzie>

On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 06:32:22PM +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> On/Dnia Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:29:50PM +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote/napisa?(a)
> > Someone said, that this kernel will work without devfs. So I booted it
> > the first time without enabling devfs in /etc/sysconfig/system. It
> > didn't worked. It seems that something in startup scripts was not able
> > to find some devices (with filesystems).
> If devfs automount isn't enabled in kernel you must cause mouting it by
> rc-scripts and thus enabling it in sysconfig/system.

At first I wanted not to use devfs. But the kernel seemd to insist on
using it although I put "no" on all DEVFS entries in /etc/sysconfig/system.
I thought I would get old /dev support (no devfs at all) and everything
would work.

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar  6 21:12:31 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:12:31 +0100
Subject: firewall-init for iptables
In-Reply-To: <20010304154310.A13029@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>; from baggins-pld@sith.mimuw.edu.pl on Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:43:10PM +0100
References: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie> <20010304154310.A13029@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010306211231.B2845@nic.nigdzie>

On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:43:10PM +0100, Jan Rekorajski wrote:
[...]
> What version did you use? It's under development so the latest and greatest
> you can get from CVS (cvs co -r IPTABLES firewall-init).
This is exactly what I have done.

> > 2. If the config files are supposed to contain iptables rules, why have
> > I put "$iptables" there? And why should I define some functions?
> 
> I know this is may be a pain, look at the setup_rules() function,
> any suggestion how to fix it is greatly appreciated.
I made similar scripts for ipchains some time ago. The config files
used contained only arguments to ipchains. They were read using "read"
shell command in the scripts, line by line. But for more sophisticated
firewalls it was sloooowww. I think your solution should be faster, although
less elegant. Imho it would be good if iptables could process more
entries at once. Eg. from a file.

> > 3. It doesn't seem to work with 2.4.2-1 kernel --- IPv6 logging and
> > icmpv6 stuff. But it seems the kernel and iptables in CVS are fixed.
> 
> For IPv6 LOG target you need latest patch-o-matic (included in 2.4.2-2)
> icmpv6 is another problem - there is total mess in userland tools how
> should it be named and for the time being it just does not work.
> I sent a patch to netfilter-devel but Harald told me he is working
> on a fix that does not involve patching the kernel so we must wait.
But the latest version of firewall-init/iptables/kernel won't display
all those messages?

And one more thing. I think you should change the name of the project.
This is quite different from original firewall-init. Maybe the
firewall-init is still developed (in other distribution).
I have done the same after improving mkinitrd (now it is geninitrd).
I thing it could be rc-firewall (like rc-scripts and rc-inetd).

Greets,
        Jacek

PS.
        What does "rc" mean in rc-scripts and rc-inetd?


From baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl  Thu Mar  8 01:05:37 2001
From: baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl (Jan Rekorajski)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:05:37 +0100
Subject: firewall-init for iptables
In-Reply-To: <20010306211231.B2845@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 09:12:31PM +0100
References: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie> <20010304154310.A13029@sith.mimuw.edu.pl> <20010306211231.B2845@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010308010537.A29185@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>

[wtorek, 06 marzec 2001], Jacek Konieczny napisa?(a):

> On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:43:10PM +0100, Jan Rekorajski wrote:
> [...]
> > What version did you use? It's under development so the latest and greatest
> > you can get from CVS (cvs co -r IPTABLES firewall-init).
> This is exactly what I have done.

Good :) In the meantime I fixed some dumb mistakes so please upgrade ;)

> > > 2. If the config files are supposed to contain iptables rules, why have
> > > I put "$iptables" there? And why should I define some functions?
> > 
> > I know this is may be a pain, look at the setup_rules() function,
> > any suggestion how to fix it is greatly appreciated.
> I made similar scripts for ipchains some time ago. The config files
> used contained only arguments to ipchains. They were read using "read"
> shell command in the scripts, line by line. But for more sophisticated
> firewalls it was sloooowww. I think your solution should be faster, although
> less elegant.

Yes, that's the problem, I thought of doing it that way, but then I would
loose some functionality. So I want to be less elegant but to allow
admin to do what he wants, not restricted by config file syntax.

> Imho it would be good if iptables could process more
> entries at once. Eg. from a file.

It can, via iptables-restore program.

> > > 3. It doesn't seem to work with 2.4.2-1 kernel --- IPv6 logging and
> > > icmpv6 stuff. But it seems the kernel and iptables in CVS are fixed.
> > 
> > For IPv6 LOG target you need latest patch-o-matic (included in 2.4.2-2)
> > icmpv6 is another problem - there is total mess in userland tools how
> > should it be named and for the time being it just does not work.
> > I sent a patch to netfilter-devel but Harald told me he is working
> > on a fix that does not involve patching the kernel so we must wait.
> But the latest version of firewall-init/iptables/kernel won't display
> all those messages?

I commented out ICMP6 chain for now.

> And one more thing. I think you should change the name of the project.
> This is quite different from original firewall-init. Maybe the
> firewall-init is still developed (in other distribution).

As I am the maintainer of this package I don't care ;>
But maybe I change the name.

> PS.
>         What does "rc" mean in rc-scripts and rc-inetd?

Wild guess "runlevel change", I think the answer should be in some
book about U*IX.

Janek
-- 
Jan R?korajski            |  ALL SUSPECTS ARE GUILTY. PERIOD!
baggins<at>mimuw.edu.pl   |  OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY?
BOFH, MANIAC              |                   -- TROOPS by Kevin Rubio


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Thu Mar  8 16:54:05 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:54:05 +0100
Subject: firewall-init for iptables
In-Reply-To: <20010308010537.A29185@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>; from baggins-pld@sith.mimuw.edu.pl on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:05:37AM +0100
References: <20010303172130.A2624@nic.nigdzie> <20010304154310.A13029@sith.mimuw.edu.pl> <20010306211231.B2845@nic.nigdzie> <20010308010537.A29185@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010308165405.B11627@nic.nigdzie>

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:05:37AM +0100, Jan Rekorajski wrote:
> > And one more thing. I think you should change the name of the project.
> > This is quite different from original firewall-init. Maybe the
> > firewall-init is still developed (in other distribution).
> 
> As I am the maintainer of this package I don't care ;>
I thought it come from some other distribution.
> But maybe I change the name.

You made the firewall-init read the RPC information, but for me
firewall-init is started before portmap!
But this is not a big problem. The big security problem is that there is
delay between network and firewall-init is started. In paricular
forwarding is enabled in some time before firewall is set up. It is big
enough time so some exploit packets could be sent to internal network.
I think there should be two init scripts:

1. firewall-preinit --- started before /etc/rc.d/init.d/network
  Wich would disable everything except loopback trafic (which can be
needed in further startup scripts)

2. firewall --- started after /etc/rc.d/init.d/portmap and other needed
sybsytems
  It would set up everything alse and THEN remove iptables entries
inserted by firewall-preinit.

IMHO such configuration would be safe, without any rece conditions.

Greets,
        Jacek


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Sat Mar 10 14:09:45 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:09:45 +0100
Subject: pdksh broken
Message-ID: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

Thanks to malekith we now know how to reprocude segfault under
pdksh on PLD.

Just run this simple script in attachment.

i686 mixed PLD and other distros
[misiek at ikar misiek]$ rpm -q glibc pdksh libtool; libtool --version
glibc-2.2.2-2
pdksh-5.2.14-15
package libtool is not installed
ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 1.3.5 (1.385.2.206 2000/05/27 11:12:27)
[misiek at ikar misiek]$ ./pdkshble.sh 
Memory fault 
[misiek at ikar misiek]$ 

Sparc, PLD

[misiek at team misiek]$ rpm -q glibc pdksh libtool
glibc-2.2.1-3
pdksh-5.2.14-14
libtool-1.3.5-11
[misiek at team misiek]$ ./pdkshble.sh 
Memory fault 
[misiek at team misiek]$ 

Same thing on our ix86 and on my private i686  while no problems on alpha builder.

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]
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From pawelk at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar 10 23:46:56 2001
From: pawelk at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Ko=B3odziej?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:46:56 +0100
Subject: pdksh broken
In-Reply-To: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>; from misiek@pld.ORG.PL on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:09:45PM +0100
References: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <20010310234656.A10486@paw.dom>

Dnia Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:09:45PM +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz napisa?(a):
> Thanks to malekith we now know how to reprocude segfault under
> pdksh on PLD.

I have been invesigating it for a while, and I've found that it crash when
trying to do:
lib_search_path=ces.lo gnome-propertybox.lo gnome-properties.lo gnome-property-entries.lo gnome-scores.lo gnome-spell.lo gnome-startup.lo gnome-stock.lo gnome-winhints.lo gnome-paper-selector.lo gnome-procbar.lo gnome-window.lo gnome-window-icon.lo gnometypes.lo gtkcauldron.lA /usr/lib 

It's quite strange for me, becouse first word afetr = char is
"ces.lo" and it seams to be derived from gnome-preferences.lo
I dont know, if it's ok (mayby libtool shifts some string) or wrong (it may
be caused by some buffer overfow in input subsystem (awfully lex.c (I don't
think that it was generated manually, but there is only .c file :( ))

Becouse sigsev was becouse of freeing not alloced memory arrea, I just 
commented out one afree(). It seams to work, but it's dirty.
I'm posting my patch to cvs.

-- 
Pawe? Ko?odziej 
pawelk at pld.org.pl 
I edycja konkursu na dobr? rad? -- ,,WUCH 2001'' wci?? trwa
!!!    A T R A K C Y J N A   N A G R O D A  C Z E K A   N A   C I E B I E    !!!


From pawelk at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar 10 23:49:43 2001
From: pawelk at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Ko=B3odziej?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:49:43 +0100
Subject: pdksh broken
In-Reply-To: <20010310234656.A10486@paw.dom>; from pawelk@pld.org.pl on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 11:46:56PM +0100
References: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> <20010310234656.A10486@paw.dom>
Message-ID: <20010310234943.A15666@paw.dom>

Dnia Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 11:46:56PM +0100, Pawe? Ko?odziej napisa?(a):
> Dnia Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:09:45PM +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz napisa?(a):
> I'm posting my patch to cvs.

Since cvs seams to be locked, I'm posting my trivial patch here.

-- 
Pawe? Ko?odziej 
pawelk at pld.org.pl 
I edycja konkursu na dobr? rad? -- ,,WUCH 2001'' wci?? trwa
!!!    A T R A K C Y J N A   N A G R O D A  C Z E K A   N A   C I E B I E    !!!
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--- ./var.c.org	Sat Mar 10 23:05:55 2001
+++ ./var.c	Sat Mar 10 23:06:25 2001
@@ -369,7 +369,14 @@
 				internal_errorf(TRUE,
 				    "setstr: %s=%s: assigning to self",
 				    vq->name, s);
-			afree((void*)vq->val.s, vq->areap);
+			/* XXX 10 III 2001 Pawel Koldziej <pawelk at pld.org.pl>
+			 * Quick&Dirty
+			 * Just don't free, becouce vq->val.s sometimes points
+			 * to not alloced area. Bug is probably in global(),
+			 * tenter() or tsearch(), or in input subsystem 
+			 * (some buffer overflow ?) but it also can be in any
+			 * other place */
+			/* afree((void*)vq->val.s, vq->areap); */
 		}
 		vq->flag &= ~(ISSET|ALLOC);
 		vq->type = 0;

From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Mon Mar 12 18:13:35 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:13:35 +0100
Subject: pdksh broken
In-Reply-To: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>; from misiek@pld.ORG.PL on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:09:45PM +0100
References: <20010310140945.A21832@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <20010312181335.A4217@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

On/Dnia Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:09:45PM +0100, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote/napisa?(a)
> Thanks to malekith we now know how to reprocude segfault under
> pdksh on PLD.
It looks like gcc 2.95.x series is broken because when I compile pdksh
using:

[misiek at arm SPECS]$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pld-linux/3.0/specs
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix --enable-haifa --enable-languages=c,gcov,c++,java,f77 --enable-long-long --enable-namespaces --enable-multilib --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --with-system-zlib --without-x --disable-nls i686-pld-linux
gcc version 3.0 20010305 (prerelease)

everything works fine.

Tried it on i686.
-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]


From phil at hollenback.net  Mon Mar 12 19:00:18 2001
From: phil at hollenback.net (Philip J. Hollenback)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:00:18 -0800
Subject: pld kernel 2.2.18-14 boot problems
Message-ID: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>

Hello,

I've been experimenting with the 2.2.18-14 pld kernel.  Specifically,
I've been trying to incorporate it into a modified redhat 6.2 install
cd.

I can successfully rebuild the source rpm under redhat 6.2 and I have
a working install cd that installs it.  However, I cannot get a
running system afterwards.  I have a Tyan motherboard with the Via VP
chipset.  On bootup after install, I alwats get VFS panic - cannot
mount root.

I did discover that the Via driver is turned off in the config file.
I experimented with it both as a module and built directly in to the
kernel.  I have also tried building the ide driver directly into the
kernel.  With the via driver enabled, I see the drives are detected,
and the primary drive is hda.  Homwever, after that, I see a message
about ide0 not autoprobed, and the system then fails to boot, always
because it cannot mount root.

I am very impressed the work that has gone into this version of the
kernel, and I would love the get it booting.  Does anyone have any
idea what I need to change to fix this?  I confess I am not very
familiar with the initial ramdisk setup, do I need to change something
there?

Thanks,
P.

-- 
Philip J. Hollenback
philiph at pobox.com
AYBABTU


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Mon Mar 12 20:17:29 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:17:29 +0100
Subject: pld kernel 2.2.18-14 boot problems
In-Reply-To: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>; from phil@hollenback.net on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:00:18AM -0800
References: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>
Message-ID: <20010312201729.A31529@alya.uni-hannover.de>

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:00:18AM -0800, Philip J. Hollenback wrote:
> I am very impressed the work that has gone into this version of the
> kernel, and I would love the get it booting.  Does anyone have any
> idea what I need to change to fix this?  I confess I am not very
> familiar with the initial ramdisk setup, do I need to change something
> there?
Hello Philip!

First of all I have no blody idea about the Via driver. But befour you will 
start playing with initrd. Mayby you should compile directly into your kernel
the support for the ide ide-disk and ext2. Then if it will not work we will 
know that this is the problem with the kernel not with the ramdisk.
I'm simply not shure if you realised that ext2 is also in the module.
If no this is probably the case. 
Thats all for now. 


	Let the force be with you
		The prince of darknes. 
			Lukasz Dobrek
-- 		 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From alchemyx at uznam.top.pl  Mon Mar 12 20:21:51 2001
From: alchemyx at uznam.top.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:21:51 +0100
Subject: pld kernel 2.2.18-14 boot problems
In-Reply-To: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>; from Philip J. Hollenback on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:00:18AM -0800
References: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>
Message-ID: <20010312202151.B2977@mephisto.px.pl>

[poniedzia?ek, 12 marzec 2001], Philip J. Hollenback napisa?(a):

> Hello,

Hello :)

[SNIP!]
> I can successfully rebuild the source rpm under redhat 6.2 and I have
> a working install cd that installs it.  However, I cannot get a
> running system afterwards.  I have a Tyan motherboard with the Via VP
> chipset.  On bootup after install, I alwats get VFS panic - cannot
> mount root.
[SNIP!]

I think your problems lies in two things. First - our kernel is higly
modularized, even ext2 and ide are built as modules. You should check tools
designed for creating initial ram disk - geninitrd. I think it is
straightforward how to use it.

Second problem you may encounter is passing name of root device. If you have
lilo just ignore it, but if you use loadlin.exe or grub you should change
"root=/dev/hda1" into "root=/dev/301". It is just an example. Other numbers
are:

mephisto RPMS~# ls -l /dev/hd?
brw-rw----    1 root     disk       3,   0 May  5  1998 /dev/hda
brw-rw----    1 root     disk       3,  64 May  5  1998 /dev/hdb
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      22,   0 May  5  1998 /dev/hdc
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      22,  64 May  5  1998 /dev/hdd
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      33,   0 May  5  1998 /dev/hde
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      33,  64 May  5  1998 /dev/hdf
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      34,   0 May  5  1998 /dev/hdg
brw-rw----    1 root     disk      34,  64 May  5  1998 /dev/hdh

use first number, then add second number and your partition number. e.g.
/dev/hdd6 is /dev/2270. I hope I am right :)

Greetings

-- 
Michal Margula, alchemyx at uznam.top.pl, ICQ UIN 12267440, +)
http://uznam.top.pl/~alchemyx/, PL section of Linux Counter maintainer
"W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel]
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From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Mon Mar 12 22:05:54 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:05:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: pld kernel 2.2.18-14 boot problems
In-Reply-To: <20010312100017.B1086@hollenback.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103122156470.7155-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Philip J. Hollenback wrote:
> I am very impressed the work that has gone into this version of the
> kernel, and I would love the get it booting.  Does anyone have any
> idea what I need to change to fix this?  I confess I am not very
> familiar with the initial ramdisk setup, do I need to change something
> there?
Yes you do. IDE and ext2 support are in modules - so you have to create
a ramdisk, which contains:
- ide-disk.o, ide-mod.o, ide-probe-mod.o
- ext2.o
- small static shell (like ash-static)
- static insmod
- /linuxrc shell script, which should look like this:

-- cut --
#!/ash
insmod /ide-mod.o
insmod /ide-probe-mod.o
insmod /ide-disk.o
insmod /ext.o
-- /cut --

or stg like that... - hope it will work...


-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 13 12:08:31 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:08:31 +0100
Subject: Y Window project startup
Message-ID: <20010313120831.A9145@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

Hello,

We've just started Y Window project. It's better twin
(textmode X Window-like, network transparent enviroment).
The mailing list is y-window at pld.org.pl.
There is ywindow module in cvs. For more info, just
subscribe <y-window-subscribe at pld.org.pl>, and join
the discussion :>

-- 
                        Micha? Moskal <malekith at pld.org.pl>

The memory management on the PowerPC can be used to
frighten small children.
	-- Linus Torvalds

spy NORAD KGB nuclear munitions plutonium PLO 
Legion of Doom Marxist jihad SDI Noriega fissionable AK-47 
Honduras Soviet  nuclear Semtex kibo FBI 
--


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Tue Mar 13 12:44:55 2001
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:44:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Y Window project startup
In-Reply-To: <20010313120831.A9145@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131243410.1707-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We've just started Y Window project. It's better twin
> (textmode X Window-like, network transparent enviroment).
> The mailing list is y-window at pld.org.pl.
> There is ywindow module in cvs. For more info, just
> subscribe <y-window-subscribe at pld.org.pl>, and join
> the discussion :>

Y Window project exist (few years :)
Maybe better will be C Windows (Character based Window System :)

kloczek
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
*Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?*
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl*


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 13 18:07:30 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:07:30 +0100
Subject: Y Window project startup
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131243410.1707-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>; from kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:44:55PM +0100
References: <20010313120831.A9145@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103131243410.1707-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010313180730.A11090@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:44:55PM +0100, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michal Moskal wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > We've just started Y Window project. It's better twin
> > (textmode X Window-like, network transparent enviroment).
> > The mailing list is y-window at pld.org.pl.
> > There is ywindow module in cvs. For more info, just
> > subscribe <y-window-subscribe at pld.org.pl>, and join
> > the discussion :>
> 
> Y Window project exist (few years :)
> Maybe better will be C Windows (Character based Window System :)

Oops. Possibly we should change it, but maybe someone 
has some better idea? (sth that doesn't match .* window)

-- 
                        Micha? Moskal <malekith at pld.org.pl>

> Linux is not user-friendly. 
It _is_ user-friendly.  It is not ignorant-friendly
and idiot-friendly.
	-- Seen somewhere on the net

DES AK-47 Cocaine jihad Honduras DES class struggle nuclear 
South Africa nuclear FBI NSA radar NORAD Serbian Mossad 
colonel DES Kennedy Semtex 
--


From siewca at pld.org.pl  Wed Mar 14 05:31:11 2001
From: siewca at pld.org.pl (Pawel Wilk)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:31:11 +0100
Subject: rsyncd
Message-ID: <20010314053111.A27306@shiva>

Hi!

My sugestion to give user/group for rsync daemon. Since it is not
working as root it needs special user/group, other than nobody for better
control over resources' accessibility. For example: its secrets file,
other files (e.g. cvs), that we would like to be readable by rsyncd
but we don't want to be readabla by some services working as nobody..

uid / gid : 54 / 54 ?

cheers,
Pawel

-- 
Pawe? Wilk <siefca at shiva.poland.com>
1024D/FF0D20A9: 3B4A 55BA B502 9C4D D7ED  5643 BC7C F62D FF0D 20A9


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Wed Mar 14 16:58:16 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:58:16 +0100
Subject: rsyncd
In-Reply-To: <20010314053111.A27306@shiva>; from siewca@pld.org.pl on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:31:11AM +0100
References: <20010314053111.A27306@shiva>
Message-ID: <20010314165816.D5171@nic.nigdzie>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 05:31:11AM +0100, Pawel Wilk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> My sugestion to give user/group for rsync daemon. Since it is not
> working as root it needs special user/group, other than nobody for better
> control over resources' accessibility. For example: its secrets file,
> other files (e.g. cvs), that we would like to be readable by rsyncd
> but we don't want to be readabla by some services working as nobody..
> 
> uid / gid : 54 / 54 ?

Have you checked the uig/gid database? There is such on CVS in
PLD-doc module. The next free entry should be OK.

Greets,
        Jacek


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Thu Mar 15 17:32:37 2001
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:32:37 +0100
Subject: PLD Documentation Project launched - creating docs now easy!!!
Message-ID: <m3bsr3m1qy.fsf@zolw.dom>


Hello,

I've just run new documentation framework to simplify
the task of creating and maintaining documentation.

Writing, improving and enhancing docs will be easy now
for anyone who has CVS rw access

Project lives in 'PLD-doc/doc' in repo.
This directory contains docbook sources and scripts to process it
Simply 'checkout' the directory if you want to participate in writing 
or improving docs.

The result of convertion to HTML is avaliable here:

http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/

and is updated hourly (based on cvs current content)


WHO CAN PARTICIPATE
===================

Everyone who has CVS rw access is strongly encouraged
to write or improve documentation. Depending on
your will and docbook knowledge, you can participate at
different levels:

a) basic level 
   Fixing typos, orthography, style, basic corrections.
   No docbook knowledge is required, just edit document
   and commit it as usual.
   As long as you do not modify document structure there 
   is no need to validate it.

b) normal level
   Translating, enhancing existing docs, more substantial changes.
   Validation is required before commiting to repo.
   See README file in PLD-doc/doc

c) maintainer level
   Creating new documents, adding new translation
   Installing all processing tools is recommended to check 
   the integrity of the project after changes
   See README file in PLD-doc/doc


ANTICIPATED FAQ
===============

Q: 'Devel' docs are located together with 'user' docs, why?
A: This module is intended to be 'flat' collection od documents
   of different kind - just a infrastructure for developing
   docs. Some of them may be then incorporated into PLD www 
   developer corner, other may be presented somewhere else. 
   Moreover, this doc system is not resticted to contain only 
   PLD related docs - if you want to put another document here 
   (for example a manual for software program you develop), 
   please contact me

Q: The html output is ugly!
A: This is only raw html view converted with Norman Walsh stylesheets.
   It is done only for draft visualisation of current documentation effort.
   No customizations, decorations are applied.
   For the time being it is most important to write and improve docs
   not to bother with beautifull presentations.
   
Q: What about coversion to printable formats?
A: None, so far. Investigation in progress...

Q: Why install/en/install.docb is in polish? 
A: It's only placeholder, for testing purposes

Q: Some docs are not up-to-date...
A: Please update them! I currently work on XEmacs docs, some other
   needs update too.


MORE INFO
=========

   See README file in PLD-doc/doc


Regards,
Rafal


-- 
Rafa? Kleger-Rudomin (klakier at pld.org.pl)


From roman at student.ifpan.edu.pl  Fri Mar 16 09:12:44 2001
From: roman at student.ifpan.edu.pl (Roman Werpachowski)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:12:44 +0100 (CET)
Subject: PLD Documentation Project launched - creating docs now easy!!!
In-Reply-To: <m3bsr3m1qy.fsf@zolw.dom>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103160912110.30020-100000@student.ifpan.edu.pl>


lynx team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc:


                               [Error : B??d]

                    [403] Forbidden : Dost?p zabroniony
     _________________________________________________________________

   English You don't have permission to access /~klakier/doc/ on this
   server.
     _________________________________________________________________

   Polish Zapytanie odrzucone przez serwer. Nie masz dost?pu do
   /~klakier/doc/ na tym serwerze.
     _________________________________________________________________

                                  Mail to:
                           webmaster at pld.org.pl

                     Powered by Apache Powered by Linux

    data:Friday, 16-Mar-2001 09:14:18 CET, ostatnia modyfikacja: Sunday,
                          14-Jan-2001 17:54:28 CET




Roman Werpachowski

-- 
"pinfo jest dla mi?czak?w. Prawdziwi Linuxowcy czytaj? ?r?d?a groffa."
				
					gruesome na p.c.o.l.


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 16 11:12:59 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:12:59 +0100
Subject: gnome-media-1.2.0-9 and configure
Message-ID: <3AB1E72B.5E0A64BC@atm.com.pl>

Is everything OK with gnome-media-1.2.0-9? During package building
process
I have got automake message of missing file gmix/depcomp:  

$ rpm --rebuild gnome-media-1.2.0-9.src.rpm
Installing gnome-media-1.2.0-9.src.rpm
Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.35663
	[... patching etc. ...]
+ autoconf
+ automake
configure.in: 51: `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' is obsolete, use `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL'
instead
automake: configure.in: required file `gmix/depcomp' not found
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81870 (%build)

And BTW the configure.in message about obsolete of AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
is it related to an old version of autoconf (or sth) used at 
developer/source side or have I got the obsolete thing? 

Marek Guevara Braun


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Fri Mar 16 11:28:36 2001
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:28:36 +0100
Subject: PLD Documentation Project launched - creating docs now easy!!!
In-Reply-To: Roman Werpachowski's message of "Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:12:44 +0100 (CET)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103160912110.30020-100000@student.ifpan.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <m3ofv2gg8b.fsf@zolw.dom>

Roman Werpachowski <roman at student.ifpan.edu.pl> writes:

> lynx team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc:
> 
> 
>                                [Error : B??d]
> 
>                     [403] Forbidden : Dost?p zabroniony


My fault, I changed some things recently and did not test the changes
properly. Fixed.

Thanks,
Rafal


> 
> 

-- 
Rafa? Kleger-Rudomin (klakier at pld.org.pl)


From wrobell at posexperts.com.pl  Fri Mar 16 17:34:27 2001
From: wrobell at posexperts.com.pl (wrobell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:34:27 +0100
Subject: gnome-media-1.2.0-9 and configure
In-Reply-To: <3AB1E72B.5E0A64BC@atm.com.pl>; from marek@atm.com.pl on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:12:59AM +0100
References: <3AB1E72B.5E0A64BC@atm.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010316173427.C3601@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:12:59AM +0100, Marek Guevara Braun wrote:
> Is everything OK with gnome-media-1.2.0-9? During package building
> process
> I have got automake message of missing file gmix/depcomp:  
> 
> $ rpm --rebuild gnome-media-1.2.0-9.src.rpm
> Installing gnome-media-1.2.0-9.src.rpm
> Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.35663
> 	[... patching etc. ...]
> + autoconf
> + automake
> configure.in: 51: `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' is obsolete, use `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL'
> instead
> automake: configure.in: required file `gmix/depcomp' not found
> Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.81870 (%build)
> 
> And BTW the configure.in message about obsolete of AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
> is it related to an old version of autoconf (or sth) used at 
> developer/source side or have I got the obsolete thing? 
s/automake/automake -a -c/ in gnome-media.spec

It is required for new version of automake, which we have
in our distribution.

  wrobell <wrobell at posexperts.com.pl>


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Fri Mar 16 17:52:41 2001
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (Serek/GNU)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:52:41 +0100
Subject: [pld in US]
Message-ID: <20010316175241.F1035@linux.lo14.wroc.pl>

in ten days the whole PLD distro will be mirrored at ibiblio.org (aka
sunsite.unc.edu), the biggest linux archive in the world. 

we should be ready for big boom in developing!


sebastian, what`s about iso-cd automation?

--s+


From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 16 18:17:00 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:17:00 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [pld in US]
In-Reply-To: <20010316175241.F1035@linux.lo14.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103161816160.5721-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Serek/GNU wrote:
> sebastian, what`s about iso-cd automation?
? iso's are generated daily and automatically distributed to all of our
mirror sites. What else do you need?

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Sun Mar 18 15:26:29 2001
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (Serek/GNU)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:26:29 +0100
Subject: [pld in US]
In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=3CPine=2ELNX=2E4=2E33=2E0103161816160=2E5721-100000=40so?=
 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?krates=2Emimuw=2Eedu=2Epl=3E=3B_from_s=2Ezagrodzki=40mimu?=
 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?w=2Eedu=2Epl_on_pi=B1=2C_mar_16=2C_2001_at_06:17:00_+0100?=
References: <20010316175241.F1035@linux.lo14.wroc.pl> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103161816160.5721-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010318152629.D16392@linux.lo14.wroc.pl>

On pi?, mar 16, 2001 at 06:17:00 +0100, Sebastian Zagrodzki wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Serek/GNU wrote:
> > sebastian, what`s about iso-cd automation?
> ? iso's are generated daily and automatically distributed to all of our
> mirror sites. What else do you need?

not so actively distributed ;-) becouse on ftp.pld is version from 14
february. 

is there a chance to synchronize task server every day?

if not, we rather should redelegate our major distribution point to mimuw?

--s+


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Sun Mar 18 15:35:29 2001
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 18 Mar 2001 15:35:29 +0100
Subject: Translation of PLD installation instructions available
Message-ID: <m3u24r9mby.fsf@zolw.dom>



Hello,

Raw translation of Marcin Chojnowski's temporary installation
notes is available in cvs (module 'doc')
In half an hour it will be also html version available at
http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/install/en

original document can be also viewed
http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/install/pl

The autor is kindly requested to verify the document.

To anyone else who have cvs rw acces: if you find some bug or 
know how to translate some parts better, don't hesistate to correct me:

cvs co doc
cd doc/install/en
$EDITOR install.docb
cvs ci install.docb

If you do not have cvs rw access, please send comments to me

Regards,
Rafal

-- 
Rafa? Kleger-Rudomin (klakier at pld.org.pl)


From hocus at dronet.gliwice.pl  Sun Mar 18 16:49:03 2001
From: hocus at dronet.gliwice.pl (hocus)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:49:03 +0100
Subject: fastforward-idx patch
References: <m3u24r9mby.fsf@zolw.dom>
Message-ID: <001101c0afc2$f56fb970$c4a86ad4@hocus>

Hi!

I wanted to ask if anyone has fastforward-idx patch for fastforward
qmail-helper programme. Surprisingly the only place I have found, from where
this file could be downloaded, is author's homepage, but I get message "you
do not have permissions to view page" :-(.

Regards
Hocus


From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Mon Mar 19 09:33:11 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:33:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [pld in US]
In-Reply-To: <20010318152629.D16392@linux.lo14.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103190931400.29646-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Serek/GNU wrote:
> > > sebastian, what`s about iso-cd automation?
> > ? iso's are generated daily and automatically distributed to all of our
> > mirror sites. What else do you need?
> not so actively distributed ;-) becouse on ftp.pld is version from 14
> february.
> is there a chance to synchronize task server every day?
it should be done like this. It seems somebody has some problems with rsync :>

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Mon Mar 19 20:58:43 2001
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: RFC:  Conditional builds using rpm --with foo (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103192058070.1707-200000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>


This is forward from Jeff about RFC for conditional buils. Onyone
interested in subject please red this and if anyone will have reasonable
coments please also Cc: to Jeff.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:42:07 -0500
From: Jeff Johnson <jbj at JBJ.ORG>
To: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl
Subject: RFC:  Conditional builds using rpm --with foo

Tomasz --

I'm about to check in --with/--without to rpm-4.0.3/rpm-4.1. Appended is notes
about how to use "--with foo".

Comments?

73 de Jeff

-- 
Jeff Johnson	ARS N3NPQ
jbj at jbj.org	(jbj at redhat.com)
Chapel Hill, NC
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/*! \page conditionalbulds Passing conditional parameters into a rpm build

Source code is often built with optional features enabled or disabled.
When source code is packaged using rpm, the various features can be
chosen, added to a spec file, and a package will be produced with
binaries compiled with that feature set. This mechanism works fine
for packages with small feature sets, but does not work so well
for large, complicated, packages like the Linux kernel and/or
the Pine mailer which have a large number of features, as a given
feature set may not "work" for everyone.

RPM now has a supported mechanism to pass information from the rpm
command line to enable/disable features during a build. Two options have
been added to pass feature names from the rpm command line:
\verbatim
    --with <feature>	Enable <feature>
    --without <feature>	Disable <feature>
\endverbatim
The new options are implemented using popt to add aliases to the existing rpm
options --define to specify macros from the command line. The magic necessary
to add the new options is (from the file /usr/lib/rpm/rpmpopt*)
\verbatim
    rpmb	alias --with    --define "_with_!#:+       --with-!#:+"
    rpmb	alias --without --define "_without_!#:+    --without-!#:+"
\endverbatim
(Note: The obscure "!#:+" popt token above says "substitute the next command
line argument found here, and, additionally, mark the argument as used.")

For example, when rpm is invoked as
\verbatim
    rpm ... --with ldap ...
\endverbatim
then the popt aliases will cause the options to be rewritten as
\verbatim
    rpm ... --define "_with_ldap	--with-ldap" ...
\endverbatim
which causes a "%_with_ldap" macro to be defined with value "--with-ldap"
during a build.

The macro defined on the rpm command line can be used to conditionalize
portions of the spec file for the package. For example, let's say you
are trying to build the pine package using "--with ldap" to enable the
LDAP support in the pine mailer (i.e. configuring with "--with-ldap").
So the spec file should be written
\verbatim
    ...
    ./configure \
	%{?_with_ldap:      %{_with_ldap}}   \
    ...
\endverbatim
so that, if "--with ldap" was used as a build option, then confgure
will be invoked (after macro expansion) as
\verbatim
	./configure --with-ldap ...
\endverbatim
(Note: The obscure "%{?_with_ldap: ...}" rpm macro syntax above says "if the
macro "_with_ldap" exists, then expand "...", else ignore.")

The spec file should include a default value for the "_with_ldap" macro,
and should support "--without ldap" as well. Here's a more complete example
for pine:
\verbatim
    # Default values are --without-ldap --with-ssl.
    #
    # Read: If neither macro exists, then add the default definition.
    %{!?_with_ldap: %{!?_without_ldap: %define _without_ldap --without-ldap}}
    %{!?_with_ssl: %{!?_without_ssl: %define _with_ssl --with-ssl}}
    ...

    # Add build dependencies for ssl and ldap features if enabled.
    #
    # Read: If feature is enabled, then add the build dependency.
    %{?_with_ssl:   BuildRequires: openssl-devel}}
    %{?_with_ldap:  BuildRequires: openldap-devel}}
    ...

    # Configure with desired features.
    #
    # Read: Add any defined feature values to the configure invocation.
    %configure \
	%{?_with_ssl:       %{_with_ssl}}    \  
	%{?_without_ssl:    %{_without_ssl}} \  
	%{?_with_ldap:      %{_with_ldap}}   \
	%{?_without_ldap:   %{_without_ldap}}\
    ...
\endverbatim

*/

From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Mon Mar 19 23:56:39 2001
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:56:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: pam
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103192353220.28825-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

I'm interested in a few things...

1. Where are some pam-modules in RH from (pam_stack,...)?? I couldn't find
it anywhere (except RH src.rpm).
2. What is official pam-site? The adress shown in rpm -qi pam seen to be
empty.

-- 
pozdr.  Pawe? Go?aszewski
-------------------------
Linux is like vigvam. No gates, no windows, just apache inside.



From baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 00:09:14 2001
From: baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl (Jan Rekorajski)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:09:14 +0100
Subject: pam
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103192353220.28825-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>; from blues@ds6.pg.gda.pl on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:56:39PM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103192353220.28825-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20010320000914.A14741@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>

[poniedzia?ek, 19 marzec 2001], Blues napisa?(a):

> I'm interested in a few things...
> 
> 1. Where are some pam-modules in RH from (pam_stack,...)?? I couldn't find
> it anywhere (except RH src.rpm).

pam_stack is an ugly RH hack, it will never go into PLD package.
As to the reset read on

> 2. What is official pam-site? The adress shown in rpm -qi pam seen to be
> empty.

http://pam.sourceforge.net/
ftp://ftp.*.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/

There is also pam module in our CVS maintained by me.

Janek
-- 
Jan R?korajski            |  ALL SUSPECTS ARE GUILTY. PERIOD!
baggins<at>mimuw.edu.pl   |  OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY?
BOFH, MANIAC              |                   -- TROOPS by Kevin Rubio


From jajcus at bnet.pl  Tue Mar 20 11:21:49 2001
From: jajcus at bnet.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:21:49 +0100
Subject: konqueror
Message-ID: <20010320112149.A2626@serwus.bnet.pl>

Hi,

I think kdelibs lacks "Requires: qt>=2.3.0".

Before upgrading qt:

$ konqueror
konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libkdeui.so.3:
undefined symbol: styleChange__8QToolBarR6QStyle

After upgrading qt this seems to be OK, but I cannot change settings.
I got:
"No file names kcmshell.la found in path".

This time installing kdebase helps. But I don't like installing whole 8MB 
of kdebase for the konqueror.

Anyway, at the first sight, Konqueror seems to be much better and faster than 
Netscape or Mozilla. And even the SSL works!

Greets,
	Jacek


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Tue Mar 20 14:17:16 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:17:16 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
Message-ID: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de>


Hello!!
I have folowing sugestion. There is a problem with instaling
PLD from CDROM on SCSI only system. One cannot mount the cdrom
without the scsimodules which are located on cdrom. In some
sence the cdrom is useles. One have to use floppy!!! Is there
any elegant solution of this problem ??


Take Care
	  Lord of the darness. 
		Lukasz Dobrek

-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 15:22:52 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:22:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201521510.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> I have folowing sugestion. There is a problem with instaling
> PLD from CDROM on SCSI only system. One cannot mount the cdrom
> without the scsimodules which are located on cdrom. In some
> sence the cdrom is useles. One have to use floppy!!! Is there
> any elegant solution of this problem ??
<insert scsi-modules disk>
mount /dev/fd0 /src
selmod -r scsi-low
<select module>
selmod -r scsi-low XX
selmod -r scsi
<select CD module>
selmod -r scsi YY
umount /src
mount /dev/scd0 /src

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 15:39:35 2001
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (martii at obgyn.edu.pl)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:39:35 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201521510.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>; from s.zagrodzki@mimuw.edu.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:22:52PM +0100
References: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201521510.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010320153935.A25583@obgyn.edu.pl>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Sebastian Zagrodzki wrote:
> <insert scsi-modules disk>
> mount /dev/fd0 /src
> selmod -r scsi-low
> <select module>
> selmod -r scsi-low XX
> selmod -r scsi
> <select CD module>
> selmod -r scsi YY
> umount /src
 mount /dev/scd0 /src

I will include this tip in English and Polish FAQ I will prepare soon.


Martii


From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 15:44:49 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:44:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320153935.A25583@obgyn.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201542480.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 martii at obgyn.edu.pl wrote:
...
> I will include this tip in English and Polish FAQ I will prepare soon.
try to include some FAQnA from doc directory in bootdisk CVS module - I
put a full installation step-by-step HOWTO in there, it's now shown on
1st console after launching PLD installation disk. You can improve this
howto too, of course.

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 20 15:53:54 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:53:54 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de>; from dobrek@itp.uni-hannover.de on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:17:16PM +0100
References: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20010320155354.A5925@nic.nigdzie>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:17:16PM +0100, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> 
> Hello!!
> I have folowing sugestion. There is a problem with instaling
> PLD from CDROM on SCSI only system. One cannot mount the cdrom
> without the scsimodules which are located on cdrom. In some
> sence the cdrom is useles. One have to use floppy!!!
You have only to use one floppy (with scsi modules). After mounting
/src from CDROM you don't need floppies any more.

> Is there any elegant solution of this problem ??
Maybe we should add SCSI boot image to the CDROM too. New BIOSes
should give user a choice of the boot image. But will all SCSI driver
fit on one floppy image? But AFAIK hard-disk images can also be used
for making bootable-CDROMS. 
Will such CDROM work on any machine, with any BIOS?

Greets,
        Jacek


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 16:34:25 2001
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (martii at obgyn.edu.pl)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:34:25 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201542480.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>; from s.zagrodzki@mimuw.edu.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:44:49PM +0100
References: <20010320153935.A25583@obgyn.edu.pl> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201542480.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010320163425.A25928@obgyn.edu.pl>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:44:49PM +0100, Sebastian Zagrodzki wrote:
> try to include some FAQnA from doc directory in bootdisk CVS module - I
> put a full installation step-by-step HOWTO in there, it's now shown on
> 1st console after launching PLD installation disk. You can improve this
> howto too, of course.
>

I found it today, just after I took a look at bootdisk/doc directory.

It's really good and I thing there is nothing to change. I will try use it for docbook documentation.

Martii 


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 16:37:56 2001
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (martii at obgyn.edu.pl)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:37:56 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320155354.A5925@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:53:54PM +0100
References: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de> <20010320155354.A5925@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010320163756.B25928@obgyn.edu.pl>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:53:54PM +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> > Is there any elegant solution of this problem ??
> Maybe we should add SCSI boot image to the CDROM too. New BIOSes
> should give user a choice of the boot image. But will all SCSI driver
> fit on one floppy image? But AFAIK hard-disk images can also be used
> for making bootable-CDROMS. 
> Will such CDROM work on any machine, with any BIOS?
>

I was booting PLD from scsi cd-rom some time ago and found no problems. I think all better controllers (like adaptec with BIOS) are supporting booting from CD like it's made with IDE cd-rom's.

So this is the best solution. But even then you will have to load SCSI modules as Sebastian described it. After booting from scsi CD-rom, this drive not exists in system. It's working rather as /dev/fd0 device (/dev/fd0 is switched to /dev/fd1 I think)

Martii 


From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 16:46:12 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:46:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320155354.A5925@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201644080.19913-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> > Is there any elegant solution of this problem ??
> Maybe we should add SCSI boot image to the CDROM too. New BIOSes
> should give user a choice of the boot image. But will all SCSI driver
> fit on one floppy image?
all scsi drivers take about 700kB.

> But AFAIK hard-disk images can also be used
> for making bootable-CDROMS.
> Will such CDROM work on any machine, with any BIOS?
I don't think so... :>

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Tue Mar 20 17:00:06 2001
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:00:06 +0100
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201521510.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>; from s.zagrodzki@mimuw.edu.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:22:52PM +0100
References: <20010320141715.A31228@alya.uni-hannover.de> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201521510.17368-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20010320170006.A32132@alya.uni-hannover.de>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:22:52PM +0100, Sebastian Zagrodzki wrote:
> <insert scsi-modules disk>
> mount /dev/fd0 /src
> selmod -r scsi-low
> <select module>
> selmod -r scsi-low XX
> selmod -r scsi
> <select CD module>
> selmod -r scsi YY
> umount /src
> mount /dev/scd0 /src

Well this is what I did. But I was not very happy. 
Ofcourse if thay is not any other way around than this
is posible solution but still it sucks. In this way 
we assume that the system has working floppy and
there is somewher near by computer on which we can 
prepare bootdisk. 
But who cares.

Take care
	Prince of the darknes
		Lukasz Dobrek
		

Ps: As far as I remamber in meentime one must use also
mknod to prepare /dec/scd0 but I am not realy shure.
-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
Institut f?r Theoretische Physik
Appelstra?e 2, 30167 Hannover, Germany
e-mail:dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de
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From s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl  Tue Mar 20 17:15:03 2001
From: s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl (Sebastian Zagrodzki)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:15:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <20010320170006.A32132@alya.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103201713510.20262-100000@sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> Ps: As far as I remamber in meentime one must use also
> mknod to prepare /dec/scd0 but I am not realy shure.
it happened a long time ago, that there was no /dev/scd* on the
bootdisk. But it was, as I said, a long time ago...

-- 
Sebastian Zagrodzki			s.zagrodzki at mimuw.edu.pl
UIN 1770835				http://sokrates.mimuw.edu.pl/~zagrodzki

A co mnie obchodzi, co pomy?l? inni...


From michuz at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 20 18:58:07 2001
From: michuz at pld.org.pl (Michal Zawalich)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:58:07 +0100
Subject: konqueror
In-Reply-To: <20010320112149.A2626@serwus.bnet.pl>; from jajcus@bnet.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:21:49AM +0100
References: <20010320112149.A2626@serwus.bnet.pl>
Message-ID: <20010320185807.B1579@pldmachine>

[wtorek, 20 marzec 2001], Jacek Konieczny napisa?(a):
> Hi,
> 
> I think kdelibs lacks "Requires: qt>=2.3.0".
> 
> Before upgrading qt:
> 
> $ konqueror
> konqueror: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/X11R6/lib/libkdeui.so.3:
> undefined symbol: styleChange__8QToolBarR6QStyle
> 
> After upgrading qt this seems to be OK, but I cannot change settings.
> I got:
> "No file names kcmshell.la found in path".
Yes, you found a bug! :)
I'll fix it if I have a time.

> This time installing kdebase helps. But I don't like installing whole 8MB 
> of kdebase for the konqueror.
> 
> Anyway, at the first sight, Konqueror seems to be much better and faster than 
> Netscape or Mozilla. And even the SSL works!
I don't agree. IMO konqueror is two times slower than mozilla.

Regards.
-- 
   +-------------------+        Niezale?nie od tego, jak? drog? jedziesz,
  @|  Micha? Zawalich  |@                zawsze jest pod g?r?.
 /-| michuz at pld.org.pl |-\
/| +-------------------+ |\                [pierwsze prawo jazdy na rowerze]


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 20 20:26:08 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:26:08 +0100
Subject: konqueror
In-Reply-To: <20010320185807.B1579@pldmachine>; from michuz@pld.org.pl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:58:07PM +0100
References: <20010320112149.A2626@serwus.bnet.pl> <20010320185807.B1579@pldmachine>
Message-ID: <20010320202608.A5155@nic.nigdzie>

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:58:07PM +0100, Michal Zawalich wrote:
> > This time installing kdebase helps. But I don't like installing whole 8MB 
> > of kdebase for the konqueror.
> > 
> > Anyway, at the first sight, Konqueror seems to be much better and faster than 
> > Netscape or Mozilla. And even the SSL works!
> I don't agree. IMO konqueror is two times slower than mozilla.
I have testet it on two hosts: one with 128MB RAM, the second with 196MB
RAM. Maybe that's the reason :-)

       Jacek 


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Tue Mar 20 20:36:17 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:36:17 +0100
Subject: perl auto-dependencies
Message-ID: <20010320203617.B5155@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

I have just packaged dbman, an interesting interface to various database
system (via perl-DBI interfaces and perl-DBD-* drivers).
The problem is I don't like Requires and Provides generated by
find-perl-*es. 

1. dbman can use Tk, NCurses or SLang module. Each one via different
perl module (we have only perl-Tk in PLD), but it is the same
executable. The problem is, that generated packages Requires:
perl(Curses), perl(Term::Slang) and, what is most interesting, it
doesn't require perl(Tk) (at it has stub module for this)

2. dbman is very modular. Instead of one executable file it is made of
several perl modules. The problem here is, that those modules are not
supposed to be used outside dbman. And any other perl app. won't find
them anyway. But very much "Provides" is generated. Including perl(Tk),
which is false, as Tk module in this package is dummy.

Is there any way to fix find-perl-*es behaviour. Or should I remove perl
macros from spec and make Provides/Requires by hand?

Greets,
        Jacek


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Thu Mar 22 18:37:19 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:37:19 +0100
Subject: RPM
Message-ID: <20010322183719.C28273@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

I have just updated rpm find{,-perl}-{requires,provides} scritps and
added some macros improving automatic generating of dependency info.

There are 5 new macros which can be defined in spec files:
%_noautoreqfiles        --- lists files to be excluded from 
                                auto "Requires:" generation
%_noautoreq             --- lists capabilities which should not
                                be added as "Requires"
%_noautoreqdep          --- lists capabilities which should not be used
                                for adding package dependencies 
%_noautoprovfiles       --- lists files to be excluded from
                                auto "Provides" generation
%_noautoprov             --- lists capabilities which should not
                                be added as "Requires"

Example of usage:

1) in bzflag.spec:
Requires:       OpenGL
%define         _noautoreqdep   libGL.so.1 libGLU.so.1

Adding this line causes "Requires: XFree86-OpenGL-libs" is not generated
for the package. libGL.so.1 requirement is added still though. And
"OpenGL" dependency is mannualy added.
"_noautoreqdep" is used instead of "%_noautoreq XFree86-OpenGL-libs" so
proper dependencies will be made even if package is built in other
OpenGL environment (eg. Mesa).

2) in dbman.spec (note: this should not be needed, but find-perl-provides is broken) 

%define         _noautoprovfiles %{_datadir}/%{name}/*
%define         _noautoreq "perl(Term::ReadLine)" "perl(Term::Slang)" "perl(Curses)"
 
The first line makes many fake "Provides" not beeing generated. These
modules are for internal use in dbman only.
The second line removes dependency from "perl(Term::ReadLine)"
"perl(Term::Slang)" "perl(Curses)" be removed, as dbman can be used
without those modules.


This system works on my computer. I have tried to commit it to CVS but:

1) rpm.spec patches *linux.{req,prov} files (which are installed as
find-{provides,requires}) but I was not able just to upgrade
rpm-{requires,provides} patches as other patches depend on them. In fact
the files are patches several times, and after that they have little in
common with the originals. IMHO we should "Source" them instead.

2) I couldn't build the rpm package:
../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3vec'
../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3Free'
../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3New'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [dump] Error 1

$ rpm -q db3 db3-devel
db3-3.1.17-6
db3-devel-3.1.17-6

I would like to commit my improvements as soon as possible (if nobody
objects, of course), but I don't know how to make rpm build.

Greets,
        Jacek

PS.
        I hope anybody understood my English :-)


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:19:49 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:19:49 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-CGI-2.753-1
Message-ID: <3ABB4D75.FDA59C71@atm.com.pl>

Conflicts between CGI from perl package and from perl-CGI
package:

[root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -Uvh perl-CGI-2.753-1.i686.rpm
Preparing...                ###########################################
[100%]
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Carp.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Cookie.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Fast.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Pretty.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI/Push.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI.3pm.gz from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Apache.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Carp.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Cookie.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Fast.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Pretty.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Push.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
file /usr/share/man/man3/CGI::Switch.3pm.gz from install of
perl-CGI-2.753-1 conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14

Regards
Marek Guevara Braun


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:24:33 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:24:33 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-RPM-0.30-1
Message-ID: <3ABB4E91.D0F58627@atm.com.pl>

perl-RPM-0.30-1 do not provides perl(RPM) for itself:

[root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -Uvh perl-RPM-0.30-1.i686.rpm
b??d: niespe?nione zale?no?ci:
        perl(RPM) jest wymagany przez perl-RPM-0.30-1

Regards,
Marek Guevarea Braun


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:27:57 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:27:57 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-Digest-MD5-2.13-1
Message-ID: <3ABB4F5D.6DCEAD8B@atm.com.pl>

perl-Digest-MD5-2.13-1 do not provides MD5 and Digest::HMAC_MD5
which are needed by other packages.

[root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -Uvh perl-Digest-MD5-2.13-1.i686.rpm
b??d: niespe?nione zale?no?ci:
	perl(Digest::HMAC_MD5) jest wymagany przez perl-ldap-0.13-4
	perl(MD5) jest wymagany przez perl-Crypt-CBC-1.25-2
	perl(MD5) jest wymagany przez perl-libwww-5.51-1

Regards,
Marek Guevara Braun


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:30:29 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:30:29 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-RPM-0.30-1
Message-ID: <3ABB4FF5.6C8C9878@atm.com.pl>

perl-RPM-0.30-1 do not provides perl(RPM) needed by itself.

[root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -Uvh perl-RPM-0.30-1.i686.rpm
b??d: niespe?nione zale?no?ci:
        perl(RPM) jest wymagany przez perl-RPM-0.30-1

Regards,
Marek Guevara Braun


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:35:57 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:35:57 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9
Message-ID: <3ABB513D.1E115D1@atm.com.pl>

php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9 needs /usr/bin/php, but I don't know
the package which provides it (php do not)

[root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9.i686.rpm
b??d: niespe?nione zale?no?ci:
        /usr/bin/php jest wymagany przez php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9

Regards,
Marek Guevara Braun


From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 23 14:45:35 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:45:35 +0100
Subject: Apache dies after installation of ...
Message-ID: <3ABB537F.183C7C5E@atm.com.pl>

Apache (fresh from ftp, custom httpd.conf) dies after installation 
any of:

	php-ftp-4.0.4pl1-9.i686.rpm
	php-zlib-4.0.4pl1-9.i686.rpm
	php-cgi-4.0.4pl1-9.i686.rpm
	apache-mod_dav-1.0.2-1.i686.rpm

Without any configuration changes (I know that configuration 
is needed, but I think install of the package shouldn't kill
the server.)

BTW. During installation rpm makes changes in httpd.conf
and performs restart of apache - and it looks ok, but in fact 
apache dies after this.

Regards,
Marek Guevara Braun


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Fri Mar 23 15:12:00 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:12:00 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9
In-Reply-To: <3ABB513D.1E115D1@atm.com.pl>; from marek@atm.com.pl on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:35:57PM +0100
References: <3ABB513D.1E115D1@atm.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010323151200.A8756@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

On/Dnia Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:35:57PM +0100, Marek Guevara Braun wrote/napisa?(a)
> [root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -ivh php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9.i686.rpm
> b??d: niespe?nione zale?no?ci:
>         /usr/bin/php jest wymagany przez php-pear-4.0.4pl1-9
know but still not fixed bug (or feature?) in rpm 4.0.2

> Marek Guevara Braun

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz, AM2-6BONE    [ PLD GNU/Linux IPv6 ]
http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/ipv6/   [ enabled ]


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Fri Mar 23 15:14:45 2001
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:45 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-CGI-2.753-1
In-Reply-To: <3ABB4D75.FDA59C71@atm.com.pl>; from marek@atm.com.pl on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:19:49PM +0100
References: <3ABB4D75.FDA59C71@atm.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010323151445.B8756@ikar.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

On/Dnia Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:19:49PM +0100, Marek Guevara Braun wrote/napisa?(a)
> Conflicts between CGI from perl package and from perl-CGI
> package:
> 
> [root at piglet RPMS]# rpm -Uvh perl-CGI-2.753-1.i686.rpm
> Preparing...                ###########################################
> [100%]
> file /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/CGI.pm from install of perl-CGI-2.753-1
> conflicts with file from package perl-5.6.0-14
perl 5.6.0 already contains CGI module. Just don't install it.
Provides/Obsoletes in perl.spec fixed in CVS.

> Marek Guevara Braun

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From mis at k2.net.pl  Fri Mar 23 15:38:44 2001
From: mis at k2.net.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_A=2E_Gajda?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:38:44 +0100
Subject: Dependencies: perl-RPM-0.30-1
In-Reply-To: <3ABB4FF5.6C8C9878@atm.com.pl>
References: <3ABB4FF5.6C8C9878@atm.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010323153844.A26025@mail.k2.pl>

Friday 23/03/2001 14:30:29, Marek Guevara Braun:
> perl-RPM-0.30-1 do not provides perl(RPM) needed by itself.

fixed


From siewca at pld.org.pl  Fri Mar 23 17:09:11 2001
From: siewca at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Wilk?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:09:11 +0100
Subject: Apache dies after installation of ...
In-Reply-To: <3ABB537F.183C7C5E@atm.com.pl>; from marek@atm.com.pl on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:45:35PM +0100
References: <3ABB537F.183C7C5E@atm.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20010323170911.A18236@shiva>

+ ----- ---  --   -      -      -
| MSG:   <3ABB537F.183C7C5E at atm.com.pl> [0,5KB]
| Autor: Marek Guevara Braun z Polski (marek)
| Temat: Apache dies after installation of ...
| Czas:  pi?tek, 23 marzec 2001 - 14:45:35 (+0100)

Helo?!

> Apache (fresh from ftp, custom httpd.conf) dies after installation 
> any of.

Try mod_dav without php please.. I've observed a conflict between dav 
and some of php module time ago.

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From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Fri Mar 23 18:08:34 2001
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (Serek/GNU)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:08:34 +0100
Subject: Apache dies after installation of ...
In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=3C20010323170911=2EA18236=40shiva=3E=3B_from_siewca=40pl?=
 =?ISO-8859-2?Q?d=2Eorg=2Epl_on_pi=B1=2C_mar_23=2C_2001_at_05:09:11_+0100?=
References: <3ABB537F.183C7C5E@atm.com.pl> <20010323170911.A18236@shiva>
Message-ID: <20010323180834.D4419@linux.lo14.wroc.pl>

On pi?, mar 23, 2001 at 05:09:11 +0100, Pawe? Wilk wrote:
> + ----- ---  --   -      -      -
> | MSG:   <3ABB537F.183C7C5E at atm.com.pl> [0,5KB]
> | Autor: Marek Guevara Braun z Polski (marek)
> | Temat: Apache dies after installation of ...
> | Czas:  pi?tek, 23 marzec 2001 - 14:45:35 (+0100)
> 
> Helo?!
> 
> > Apache (fresh from ftp, custom httpd.conf) dies after installation 
> > any of.
> 
> Try mod_dav without php please.. I've observed a conflict between dav 
> and some of php module time ago.

sorry, but all php* stuff is currently broken.

--s+


From qboosh at prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 23 17:03:07 2001
From: qboosh at prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Jakub Bogusz)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:03:07 +0100
Subject: RPM
In-Reply-To: <20010322183719.C28273@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:19PM +0100
References: <20010322183719.C28273@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010323170306.A16928@satan.blackhosts>

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:19PM +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> There are 5 new macros which can be defined in spec files:
[...]
> %_noautoprov             --- lists capabilities which should not
>                                 be added as "Requires"

You mean "Provides" here?

> 2) I couldn't build the rpm package:
> ../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3vec'
> ../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3Free'
> ../lib/.libs/librpm.so: undefined reference to `db3New'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[2]: *** [dump] Error 1
> 
> $ rpm -q db3 db3-devel
> db3-3.1.17-6
> db3-devel-3.1.17-6

I don't have any problem to build rpm on my machine - recent
rpm.spec and patches, db{,-devel,-static}-3.1.17-3.
Symbols db3vec, db3Free, db3New are defined in librpm.so.

BTW, there is also db3 3.2.9 in SOURCES (for openoffice)...
But simply changing version in db3.spec is not enough to build.

> I would like to commit my improvements as soon as possible (if nobody
> objects, of course), but I don't know how to make rpm build.

And my (independent of above) proposal is adding macros:

%debugcflags    -O0 -g
%rpmcflags      %{?debug:%debugcflags}%{!?debug:%optflags}
%rpmldflags     %{!?debug:-s}

Any objections? Alternative names?
If not, I'm going to put those lines to macros.pld.


-- 
Jakub Bogusz
http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~qboosh/


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Fri Mar 23 19:07:10 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:07:10 +0100
Subject: RPM
In-Reply-To: <20010323170306.A16928@satan.blackhosts>; from qboosh@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 05:03:07PM +0100
References: <20010322183719.C28273@nic.nigdzie> <20010323170306.A16928@satan.blackhosts>
Message-ID: <20010323190710.A21922@nic.nigdzie>

On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 05:03:07PM +0100, Jakub Bogusz wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:19PM +0100, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> > There are 5 new macros which can be defined in spec files:
> [...]
> > %_noautoprov             --- lists capabilities which should not
> >                                 be added as "Requires"
> 
> You mean "Provides" here?
Good gues :-)

> I don't have any problem to build rpm on my machine - recent
> rpm.spec and patches, db{,-devel,-static}-3.1.17-3.
> Symbols db3vec, db3Free, db3New are defined in librpm.so.
I have successfuly built it on another machine too.

All my changes are already in CVS.

Greets,
        Jacek


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Sun Mar 25 12:30:19 2001
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 25 Mar 2001 12:30:19 +0200
Subject: ispell.el form CVS vs ispell.el from xemacs-ispell-pkg
Message-ID: <m3g0g2uon8.fsf@zolw.dom>


Anybody knows what's difference?

This one from CVS seems to be older, according to "Last modifications".

Any hints?

-- 
Rafa? Kleger-Rudomin (klakier at pld.org.pl)


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Thu Mar 29 22:14:20 2001
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 29 Mar 2001 22:14:20 +0200
Subject: Proposition of PLD Admin Manual structure
Message-ID: <m34rwc9vtv.fsf@zolw.dom>


Hello,

Here you can find skeleton for PLD admin manual:

  http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/pld-admin-manual/en/

Any comments, enhancements?

Rafal

-- 
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From marek at atm.com.pl  Fri Mar 30 14:58:08 2001
From: marek at atm.com.pl (Marek Guevara Braun)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:58:08 +0200
Subject: linux_logo-3.9b2-1 & ghostscript-6.50-6 -> test
Message-ID: <3AC482E0.C268AF5A@atm.com.pl>

Could someone build the newest versions of linux_logo (3.9b2-1)
and ghostscript (6.50-6) packages from cvs and put the rpms
in test, please? I think they should be ok.

Regards,
Marek Guevara Braun


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Mar 30 16:28:02 2001
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:28:02 +0200
Subject: Packages groups in installation
Message-ID: <20010330162802.A4307@aleph-0.aleph-0.dhs.org>

I've just finished hacking selrpm to support groups of packages. Now it
will be possible to tell selrpm just to install devel, www and ftp, and
not to bother selecting invidual packages. However I'm not wise enough
to setup groups file :> So I need some help. Martii is doing it right
know but it would be better if more people corrected this file, esp
ppl who has installed several serever, and know what to install by
default. When I come back I will setup devel section.

How to do that? In bootdisk/coinst there is file called groups.
It is groups file in wuch format (actually extended a bit,
I will hack wuch to parse it later). There should be also some
small files profiles. E.g.

groups:

* 1 base Base packages
rpm
pdksh
....

* 0 devel-core Core packages for development
gcc
glibc-devel
...

* 0 devel-extra Extra packages for development
gdb
!efence
...

# hmmm I'm not sure about dividing so small
# sections, maybe just general inet-servers?
* 0 ftp-server Packges to setup ftp server
@pure-ftpd ftpd-BSD proftpd

Ok, there are also profile files, like this:

server:
# profile...
devel
inet-servers

base:
# empty

router:
# router functionality
router

Groups with '* 1' gots selected by default always. This should be
probably used just for base. Other are selected by default when they
are in profile.

When you run selrpm (you can try, it won't harm ./selrpm -d ../coinst base),
it asks you for each group. Default answer is from '* 1' or profile.
You can also request to be asked for every package.

When you answer that you want given group (or you want to be asked)
you got asked for every package marked with '!' in group file.
When list of packages is marked with '@' you have to select one
of them. *Last* one is the default. You can mark group of packages
with '@!' or '!@' in which case you can select one of packages,
or none.

Ok, this should be clear. Look at comments in groups file for details.

Of course this is only a hint to person who is installing system.
But it might be useful, even for customized installations.

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From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Mar 31 12:21:02 2001
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:21:02 +0200
Subject: libc, Qt-apps crashes and other bugs
Message-ID: <20010331122102.A3866@nic.nigdzie>

Hi,

It seems that glibc package (or rpm) is heavily broken.

First:
# rpm -Uvh glibc-2.2.2-2.i386.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
        glibc < 2.1.90 conflicts with db1-1.85-7
        glibc < 2.2 conflicts with rpm-4.0.2-6

Second:
After upgrading glibc I found out that all Qt applications segfault on
startup. I couldn't find the reason. But then I found out, that perl
gives some warning about locale. I have removed following line from
/etc/rpm/macros:
%_install_langs C en pl de

And reinstalled glibc. Everything works good now. It seems some file(s) in glibc*.rpm
are marked with %lang(something) although they should always be installed. I am not sure
which file(s) is it, though.

Greets,
        Jacek


From baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl  Sat Mar 31 18:32:36 2001
From: baggins-pld at sith.mimuw.edu.pl (Jan Rekorajski)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:32:36 +0200
Subject: libc, Qt-apps crashes and other bugs
In-Reply-To: <20010331122102.A3866@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 12:21:02PM +0200
References: <20010331122102.A3866@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20010331183236.B22619@sith.mimuw.edu.pl>

[sobota, 31 marzec 2001], Jacek Konieczny napisa?(a):

> Hi,
> 
> It seems that glibc package (or rpm) is heavily broken.
> 
> First:
> # rpm -Uvh glibc-2.2.2-2.i386.rpm
> error: failed dependencies:
>         glibc < 2.1.90 conflicts with db1-1.85-7
>         glibc < 2.2 conflicts with rpm-4.0.2-6

I would blame rpm for this.

> Second:
> After upgrading glibc I found out that all Qt applications segfault on
> startup. I couldn't find the reason. But then I found out, that perl
> gives some warning about locale. I have removed following line from
> /etc/rpm/macros:
> %_install_langs C en pl de

It should be:
%_install_langs C en pl de en_US pl_PL de_DE

rpm sucks here and pl != pl_PL.

> And reinstalled glibc. Everything works good now. It seems some file(s) in
> glibc*.rpm are marked with %lang(something) although they should always be
> installed. I am not sure which file(s) is it, though.

I guess by telling rpm "pl" you didn't install locale definitions in
/usr/lib/locale.

Jan
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baggins<at>mimuw.edu.pl   |  OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUSPECTS, WOULD THEY?
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