From malekith at pld-linux.org  Tue Apr 23 14:25:11 2002
From: malekith at pld-linux.org (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:25:11 +0200
Subject: ocaml -> RPMS/
Message-ID: <20020423122511.GA27325@ep09.kernel.pl>

ocaml 3.04 (and dependent packages) are in test/ (since few months?)
They work fine and could be moved to RPMS/, thanks.


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From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Wed Apr 24 19:01:22 2002
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: 24 Apr 2002 19:01:22 +0200
Subject: pioklo: SPECS ftpfs.spec
In-Reply-To: <20020424153411.50111E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020424153411.50111E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <87elh5owt9.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

PLD CVS <pld-cvs-commit at pld.org.pl> writes:

> 	.              : ftpfs.spec 
> 
> Log message:
> -up to 0.6.2  bugfixes ,STBR
This spec requires more changes to reflect current kernel-related
specs style - for example removing hardcoded kernel macros.

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From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Wed Apr 24 15:18:20 2002
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:18:20 +0200
Subject: packages with license problems
Message-ID: <20020424151820.A5100@itp.uni-hannover.de>


Ok Artur has pointed many packages with a bad license. 

>From some point of view there are 2 main types of them.

1. We cannot distribute binnaries in any form.
2. We cannot distribute binnaries in modify form.

Problem of the secound type is easy to solve 
it is enought to distribute srpms. And everybody 
will do rpm --rebuild *.sprm

But we should have a easy way to distinguish this
packages from the adders and builder should refuse 
the idea of copying rpms to ftp. The solution is 
to modify buildrpm. 

This packages in source form should be on the oficial 
pld images  as well. How to mark tham I don't know. 


The problem is with the first type. I thing once
in mplayer we had a solution. spec contain a macro 
I_agree_that_it_is_stupid_to_do_tricks_like_that_And_accept_license.

if during compilation This macro is set to 
1 in %setup one  can download the required sources using wget. 


The point is that this macro should be always set to 0 on builder.
And this packages should also be distributed only in srpm form, hence
marked in the same way as packages from a point 1. 


Lukasz



-- 
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   An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
   A pessimist is sure that this must be so.


From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 19:57:21 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:57:21 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
Message-ID: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>


What do you think?

BTW I think our web pages are completely foreigner-unfriendly.
What is the point of making "Contact" in English if the text
is in Polish? 

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl
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Why join PLD team?
==================

PLD is the biggest RPM-based distribution in the world. If you want to
share this experience of developing a distribution made by over
a hundred volunteers, taking part in shaping the system - read on.

How to join?
============

This is really simple. First, visit http://www.pld.org.pl/index.en.php
(it says it's made by Poles and in Poland, you can ignore it). 
Subscribe to the mailing list pld-devel-en (the archives and info
about subscribing can be found at http://lists.pld.org.pl/).
Noe the real part: getting write acces to our CVS. You can get it by
filling up the form at http://www.tldp.org/cvs/pld.html. Iif you
already know some members of PLD-team, you can ask them to recommend
you as a new developer.

What can I do?
==============

A lot! First of all, you can try out all you exciting ideas. You can
add everything you ever wanted to have in a distro but couldn't. Of
course, if yoy want to introduce some revolutionary changes, it's a
good idea to ask others first.

You can start by looking at the .spec files. Having checked out the
specs from our CVS (cvs up SPECS) look at them and you can easily see
what needs to be added and modified. You can see the lists of
available CVS modules at http://cvs.pld.org.pl.

You can start by adding a new package. We have prepared a template
which can be a good starting point: check it out in /PLD-doc module in
our CVS (file template.spec). Ask people for opinion - on the mailing 
list or IRC (#pld). Don't worry if you make an error - you can always 
go back to a previous revision using -r option of cvs
get/checkout/update commands. If you modufy specs made by someone
else, be careful not to break anything. Always build before committing
(ok, unless you foun a typo). If you feel the package should be
rebuild and updaten on our ftp site (e.g. you have corrected a serious
bug), remember to increasre the release number. 

I want to see the results of my work!
=====================================

Be patience. The packages are sent for build to our building
machines. The building process succeeds for some and fails for
some. You can inspect the output logs at
http://buildlogs.pld.org.pl/. 

If everything is OK, your package is moved to the /test directory,
then - if no one complains, after a couple of days - to the main
tree. 

You can see if people use your package when they complain - and they
do! Check out http://bugs.pld.net.pl/ to see bug reports. Often these
issueas are trivial to resolve.



From orzech at pld.org.pl  Thu Apr  4 11:14:43 2002
From: orzech at pld.org.pl (Tomek Orzechowski)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:14:43 +0200
Subject: supported not supported by poldek?
Message-ID: <20020404091443.GA17978@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>

Strange thing:
1. no poldek's indexes in supported - missing one line in /.stat/gen.databases
2. no sample source line for supported in poldek.conf

I have no idea who can fix #1. #2 I've just fixed - STBR for poldek

-- 
Tomek Orzechowski


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Thu Apr  4 19:34:13 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:34:13 +0200
Subject: [Qmail in PLD]
Message-ID: <20020404173413.GC2075@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

Hello,
I'd like to invite you to new e-list, dedicated to
draw up specs for all DJB-related programs.

Subscription: empty mail to:

	qmail-subscribe at pld-linux.org

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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr  5 13:12:04 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:12:04 +0200
Subject: remake iso
Message-ID: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl>

...current doesn't have any chance to work (poldek -p option is renamed
to --pset).

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Fri Apr  5 21:12:42 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:12:42 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020405191242.GA3143@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:12:04PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> ...current doesn't have any chance to work (poldek -p option is renamed
> to --pset).
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!! Do you have any idea what I had to do to have
this fucked iso burned???? Can this be solved with some bootdisk???
Help! Please!
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From migo at supernet.com.pl  Sat Apr  6 09:46:07 2002
From: migo at supernet.com.pl (Bartosz Jakubski)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 09:46:07 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain>

Dnia 05 kwi o godzinie 13:12:04 +0200, Michal Moskal napisa?(a):
> ...current doesn't have any chance to work (poldek -p option is renamed
> to --pset).
> 

That's nice. I have CDs burned using this images. How can I install
system from them?

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-- |  Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price  | --
-- `---------------(http://www.fsf.org/philosophy)-----' --


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Sat Apr  6 12:57:10 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:57:10 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain>
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20020406105710.GD25724@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 09:46:07AM +0200, Bartosz Jakubski wrote:
> Dnia 05 kwi o godzinie 13:12:04 +0200, Michal Moskal napisa?(a):
> > ...current doesn't have any chance to work (poldek -p option is renamed
> > to --pset).
> > 
> 
> That's nice. I have CDs burned using this images. How can I install
> system from them?

Use bootdisk_ide.img to boot system.

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: PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept :  {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h


From B.Jakubski at supernet.com.pl  Sat Apr  6 17:59:32 2002
From: B.Jakubski at supernet.com.pl (Bartosz Jakubski)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:59:32 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020406105710.GD25724@ep09.kernel.pl>; from malekith@pld.org.pl on Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 12:57:10PM +0200
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain> <20020406105710.GD25724@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020406175932.A4719@linux.supernet.com.pl>

Dnia 06 kwi, 2002 o godzinie 12:57:10 +0200 napisa?e?(a?):
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 09:46:07AM +0200, Bartosz Jakubski wrote:
>> That's nice. I have CDs burned using this images. How can I install
>> system from them?
> 
> Use bootdisk_ide.img to boot system.
> 

I was unable to install PLD from those ISOs.  No details here, but I
remember some messages about CRC error (md5 sums of my images were
correct). Last message I remember was something about missing .poldekrc.
Maybe there were other important messages too - sorry, I didn't notice.
Installation failed at this stage no matter if I booted from CD or from
bootdisk_ide.img. 

I got older ISOs (Mar 23?). And I installed system from them. With one
remark: installation failed just after installing last package, at the
beginning of system configuration. I remember message about missing
/etc/modules.conf (or something similar). So I was forced to set root
password, configure network device and do similar mandatory tasks by
hand. But now i have working system, and poldek on a machine with fast
internet connection is a wonderul tool!

-- 
-- .- Bartosz Jakubski  ------------------- Sosnowiec -. --
-- |  Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price  | --
-- `---------------(http://www.fsf.org/philosophy)-----' --


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Sun Apr  7 11:45:13 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:45:13 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020406175932.A4719@linux.supernet.com.pl>
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain> <20020406105710.GD25724@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406175932.A4719@linux.supernet.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20020407094513.GC4607@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:59:32PM +0200, Bartosz Jakubski wrote:
> I was unable to install PLD from those ISOs.  No details here, but I
> remember some messages about CRC error (md5 sums of my images were
> correct). Last message I remember was something about missing .poldekrc.
I've got same problems. Here is what I saw:

#v+
    ?aduj? ext2-pkg
gunzip: invalid compressed data--crc error
gunzip: invalid compressed data--length error
gunzip: invalid compressed data--crc error
gunzip: invalid compressed data--length error
*** Sprawdzam instniej?ce partycje
[cut]
    ?aduj? poldek-pkg
cp: /src//.poldekrc: No such file or directory
Something went bad.
#v-

Sixpack of beer for person who will tell me how to install PLD from
current ISO.

PS. Why these messages didn't go to the /var/log/installer?
PS/2. Reply-To: set to pld-installer.
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Mon Apr  8 11:28:02 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:28:02 +0200
Subject: remake iso
In-Reply-To: <20020406175932.A4719@linux.supernet.com.pl>
References: <20020405111204.GA25103@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406074607.GA4330@anoraknophobia.localdomain> <20020406105710.GD25724@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020406175932.A4719@linux.supernet.com.pl>
Message-ID: <20020408092802.GB15555@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:59:32PM +0200, Bartosz Jakubski wrote:
> Dnia 06 kwi, 2002 o godzinie 12:57:10 +0200 napisa?e?(a?):
> > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 09:46:07AM +0200, Bartosz Jakubski wrote:
> >> That's nice. I have CDs burned using this images. How can I install
> >> system from them?
> > 
> > Use bootdisk_ide.img to boot system.
> > 
> 
> I was unable to install PLD from those ISOs.  No details here, but I
> remember some messages about CRC error 

Nothing important (busybox gzip is broken). It screams but works.

> (md5 sums of my images were
> correct). Last message I remember was something about missing .poldekrc.

This iso is fucked up. (not by me)

> Maybe there were other important messages too - sorry, I didn't notice.
> Installation failed at this stage no matter if I booted from CD or from
> bootdisk_ide.img. 
> 
> I got older ISOs (Mar 23?). And I installed system from them. With one
> remark: installation failed just after installing last package, at the
> beginning of system configuration. I remember message about missing
> /etc/modules.conf (or something similar). So I was forced to set root
> password, configure network device and do similar mandatory tasks by
> hand. But now i have working system, and poldek on a machine with fast
> internet connection is a wonderul tool!

usb-mod is on second cd, it is fixed now.

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: PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept :  {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h


From wrobell at ite.pl  Sun Apr 21 07:31:41 2002
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 07:31:41 +0200
Subject: mozilla and mozilla-embedded
Message-ID: <20020421053141.GA15401@pred.wroc.pl>

I have  just finished package for  mozilla-embedded 1.0.rc1.
Previous  embedded mozilla  packages had  problems with  psm
(personal security manager) and  java script console. Now it
works nicely. You need only  to install galeon, skipstone or
light (your taste may vary)  to have good browser support on
your box.

Why embedded version of mozilla? Look at the numbers :-]

  # rpm -qp --qf '%12{SIZE} %{NAME}\n' \
      mozilla-embedded-1.0.rc1-1.i686.rpm mozilla-1.0.rc1-0.2.i686.rpm \
      galeon-1.2.1-1.i686.rpm | awk '{ printf("%2dMB %s\n", $1/1024/1024, $2)}'

  17MB mozilla-embedded
  30MB mozilla
   5MB galeon

What to say more?

You can build it with:

    cd ~/rpm/SPECS
    ./builder -ba -r DEVEL mozilla-embedded.spec

Let's sleep...

  wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Tue Apr 23 12:08:02 2002
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: 23 Apr 2002 12:08:02 +0200
Subject: php 4.2.0 for testing
Message-ID: <87pu0qg22l.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>


Hi,

If you want to test php 4.2.0 here it is:
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/test/ARCH/php-4.2.0*
(works for me)

There is also apache2 version:
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/test/ARCH/php-4.2.0*
but I'm almost sure that it will crash pld apache2 immediately :)
If not - tell me!

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From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Tue Apr 23 11:59:25 2002
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:59:25 +0200
Subject: php 4.2.0 for testing
In-Reply-To: <87pu0qg22l.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
References: <87pu0qg22l.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <20020423095925.GA18940@obgyn.edu.pl>

Dnia Pa?skiego 23 Apr, 2002, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz napisa?(a):
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you want to test php 4.2.0 here it is:
> ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/test/ARCH/php-4.2.0*
> (works for me)
> 
> There is also apache2 version:
> ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/test/ARCH/php-4.2.0*
> but I'm almost sure that it will crash pld apache2 immediately :)
> If not - tell me!

Hmmm waht about ppc arch ??
I just have fresh installation of PLD on my iMac machine so I can test apache2 and php but apt-get is not findinf 
apache2 package, another thing is whene we will have poldek working with new (DEVEL) rpm.

Martii


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Tue Apr 23 13:04:33 2002
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: 23 Apr 2002 13:04:33 +0200
Subject: php 4.2.0 for testing
In-Reply-To: <20020423095925.GA18940@obgyn.edu.pl>
References: <87pu0qg22l.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
	<20020423095925.GA18940@obgyn.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <87it6ifzge.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

Marcin Chojnowski <martii at obgyn.edu.pl> writes:

> Hmmm waht about ppc arch ??
> I just have fresh installation of PLD on my iMac machine so I can test apache2 and php but apt-get is not findinf 
> apache2 package, another thing is whene we will have poldek working with new (DEVEL) rpm.
Just wait for builders to finish building it (after latest gcc 3.1 snapshot which is
currently being build).

> Martii

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From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Tue Apr 23 13:08:42 2002
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:08:42 +0200
Subject: php 4.2.0 for testing
In-Reply-To: <87it6ifzge.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
References: <87pu0qg22l.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> <20020423095925.GA18940@obgyn.edu.pl> <87it6ifzge.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>
Message-ID: <20020423110842.GA19212@obgyn.edu.pl>

Dnia Pa?skiego 23 Apr, 2002, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz napisa?(a):
> > apache2 package, another thing is whene we will have poldek working with new (DEVEL) rpm.
> Just wait for builders to finish building it (after latest gcc 3.1 snapshot which is
> currently being build).

Ok i'm waiting patiently :-)

BTW - are there any packages worth of extensive testing ??? If so I'd 
like to have a list.

Martii

p.s. I'll try to prepare MOP package today


From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Wed Apr 24 19:56:49 2002
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Sakowski)
Date: 24 Apr 2002 19:56:49 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <1019671262.1896.13.camel@saq>

W li?cie z ?ro, 24-04-2002, godz. 19:57, Artur Skura pisze: 
> Be patience. The packages are sent for build to our building

s/patience/patient/

> then - if no one complains, after a couple of days - to the main

s/no one/no-one/

> issueas are trivial to resolve.

s/issueas/issues/

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:02:37 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:02:37 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:57:21PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> 
> What do you think?
It's quite good, I think, but it lacks sume rules: what one should or
shouldn't do (like not moving STABLE tags and such).

> BTW I think our web pages are completely foreigner-unfriendly.
> What is the point of making "Contact" in English if the text
> is in Polish? 
> 
> Regards,
> Artur
> -- 
> http://www.wolneprogramy.org
> http://mf.gnome.pl

> Why join PLD team?
> ==================
> 
> PLD is the biggest RPM-based distribution in the world. If you want to
Is that truth?

> share this experience of developing a distribution made by over
> a hundred volunteers, taking part in shaping the system - read on.
> 
> How to join?
> ============
> 
> This is really simple. First, visit http://www.pld.org.pl/index.en.php
> (it says it's made by Poles and in Poland, you can ignore it). 
> Subscribe to the mailing list pld-devel-en (the archives and info
> about subscribing can be found at http://lists.pld.org.pl/).
> Noe the real part: getting write acces to our CVS. You can get it by
  ^^^
Now.

> filling up the form at http://www.tldp.org/cvs/pld.html. Iif you
                                                           ^^^
If.

> already know some members of PLD-team, you can ask them to recommend
> you as a new developer.
> 
> What can I do?
> ==============
> 
> A lot! First of all, you can try out all you exciting ideas. You can
                                           ^^^
your.

> add everything you ever wanted to have in a distro but couldn't. Of
> course, if yoy want to introduce some revolutionary changes, it's a
             ^^^
you.

> good idea to ask others first.
> 
> You can start by looking at the .spec files. Having checked out the
> specs from our CVS (cvs up SPECS) look at them and you can easily see
> what needs to be added and modified. You can see the lists of
> available CVS modules at http://cvs.pld.org.pl.
> 
> You can start by adding a new package. We have prepared a template
> which can be a good starting point: check it out in /PLD-doc module in
                                                   ^^
from.

> our CVS (file template.spec). Ask people for opinion - on the mailing 
> list or IRC (#pld). Don't worry if you make an error - you can always 
> go back to a previous revision using -r option of cvs
> get/checkout/update commands. If you modufy specs made by someone
                                       ^^^^^^
modify.

> else, be careful not to break anything. Always build before committing
> (ok, unless you foun a typo). If you feel the package should be
                  ^^^^
found.

> rebuild and updaten on our ftp site (e.g. you have corrected a serious
              ^^^^^^^
updated.

> bug), remember to increasre the release number. 
Not olny serious bugs are reasons for incrasing release number. Typos in
otherwise ready package are good reasons too.

> I want to see the results of my work!
> =====================================
> 
> Be patience. The packages are sent for build to our building
     ^^^^^^^^                        ^^^^^^^^^
patient.
for being built [I'm not sure].

> machines. The building process succeeds for some and fails for
> some. You can inspect the output logs at
I don't like that sentence. Maybe that way:
Build logs are available via web interface at
http://buildlogs.pld.org.pl/. There you can check if building of your
package completed successfully.

> http://buildlogs.pld.org.pl/. 
> 
> If everything is OK, your package is moved to the /test directory,
> then - if no one complains, after a couple of days - to the main
> tree. 
> 
> You can see if people use your package when they complain - and they
> do! Check out http://bugs.pld.net.pl/ to see bug reports. Often these
> issueas are trivial to resolve.
  ^^^^^^^
issues.
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From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:34:24 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:34:24 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>; from michal@michal.waw.pl on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:02:37PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:02:37PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:57:21PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > 
> > What do you think?
> It's quite good, I think, but it lacks sume rules: what one should or
                                         ^^^^
some ;p 

> shouldn't do (like not moving STABLE tags and such).

Yes, that is very true - but I don't really know about this stuff. Is it
written somewhere? 
 
> > PLD is the biggest RPM-based distribution in the world. If you want to
> Is that truth?

I think so. Let me check; if I find it's not true, at least we can add
,,non-commercial''.

I committed it do PLD-doc/Press_Info/. I'm sorry, I couldn't find a 
better place. I think when it's ready, this should go to pld-linux.org 
or somewhere instead this "in Poland and by Poles"(...so you better go
away).

Regards,
Artur
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http://mf.gnome.pl


From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:36:54 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:36:54 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <1019671262.1896.13.camel@saq>; from pawel@sakowski.eu.org on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:56:49PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <1019671262.1896.13.camel@saq>
Message-ID: <20020424203654.B7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:56:49PM +0200, Pawe? Sakowski wrote:
> W li?cie z ?ro, 24-04-2002, godz. 19:57, Artur Skura pisze: 
> > Be patience. The packages are sent for build to our building
> 
> s/patience/patient/

Thanks, I'm tired. 

I think this needs to be completed anyway.
And maybe sent to some websites, such as LWN.net? 

Regards,
Artur
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http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Wed Apr 24 19:25:45 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:25:45 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020424172545.GA5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

--->[Quoting Michal Kochanowicz <michal at michal.waw.pl>:]

> > What do you think?
>
> It's quite good, I think, but it lacks sume rules: what
> one should or shouldn't do (like not moving STABLE tags
> and such).

Because of last troubles  with "leadership", I cannot now
encourage  anybody to  join our  distro without  cleaning
fundamental rules.

I mean to draw up "HACKING" file.

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From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Wed Apr 24 19:26:42 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:26:42 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?

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From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:46:30 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:46:30 +0200
Subject: License problems
Message-ID: <20020424204630.C7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>


Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
in which way. 
In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:

# D - forbidden Distribution

this means it should be deleted immediately unless we want a
lawsuit

# B - forbidden Binary distribution

for src.rpm

# C - forbidden Commercial use

this isn't really an issue for us

# I - forbidden commercial dIstribution

now this is useful for Linux+ and other CD-ROM vendors
telling them to stay away

# M - some restrictions regarding distributing Modified copies

this tells us that maybe we cannot make the package exactly as we want

# R - forbidden repackaging

this shouldn't be in .rpm's, maybe .src.rpm's

# * - needs clarification
it means we shouldn't do anything unless we clarify the license.

If we had something like this in the License field of 
non-GPL-BSD-MIT-other-known-licenses, all would be clear.

Another issue is these "distributable" packages. 99% is just BSD.

But worst is people putting "GPL" when the package has a very restrictive
license. Sorry, I can't check over 3 thousand sources to make sure
all is OK.

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:48:42 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:48:42 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>; from ser@metalab.unc.edu on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
Message-ID: <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?

No. Where is it?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:51:17 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:51:17 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>; from arturs@iidea.pl on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:48:42PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424205117.A7892@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:48:42PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> > Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?
> 
> No. Where is it?

You mean develmanual/Podr?cznik...? Is there an English version?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Wed Apr 24 19:39:40 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:39:40 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

--->[Quoting Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl>:]

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> > Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?
> 
> No. Where is it?

Currently on:

http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/guide/docbook/PLD-Guide/

If you want to extend our documentation, do it in docbook
by extending or correcting this guide.

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_________________________________________________________
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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:42:35 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:42:35 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424184235.GI2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:34:24PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > It's quite good, I think, but it lacks sume rules: what one should or
>                                          ^^^^
> some ;p 
:)))
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From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 21:01:07 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:01:07 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>; from ser@metalab.unc.edu on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:39:40PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
Message-ID: <20020424210107.A7916@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:39:40PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> --->[Quoting Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl>:]
> 
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> > > Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?
> > 
> > No. Where is it?
> 
> Currently on:
> 
> http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/guide/docbook/PLD-Guide/
> 
> If you want to extend our documentation, do it in docbook
> by extending or correcting this guide.

Thanks. 

Do we really want to keep this sentence about Red Hat packages
being completely unprepared for upgrade? (concept)
I think this was taken from an informal letter sent to pcol
a long time ago(2 years?). Red Hat folks didn't do nothing during
that time.

Regards,
Artur
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http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 21:07:07 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:07:07 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>; from arturs@iidea.pl on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:57:21PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020424210707.B7916@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:57:21PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> BTW I think our web pages are completely foreigner-unfriendly.
> What is the point of making "Contact" in English if the text
> is in Polish? 

Just forget it. My browser had Polish settings.

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Wed Apr 24 20:59:06 2002
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:59:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: License problems
In-Reply-To: <20020424204630.C7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242057160.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:

> 
> Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
> What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
> in which way. 
> In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:

To compicated. Roll down all this flags to only two: we may distribute
package on ftp/CD, we may not distribute .. finito.

kloczek
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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From arturs at iidea.pl  Wed Apr 24 21:15:40 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:15:40 +0200
Subject: License problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242057160.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>; from kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:59:06PM +0200
References: <20020424204630.C7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242057160.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020424211540.A7965@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:59:06PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
> > What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
> > in which way. 
> > In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:
> 
> To compicated. Roll down all this flags to only two: we may distribute
> package on ftp/CD, 

ftp distribution is not commercial, on CD - it is.
Some licenses permit ftp, don't permit CD.

> we may not distribute .. finito.
and what about "we can distribute but only unmodified" (DJB stuff)?

Anyway, even if ha have these flags - where do we put them?
Just in the License field?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Wed Apr 24 21:55:18 2002
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:55:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: License problems
In-Reply-To: <20020424211540.A7965@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242146490.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:59:06PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
> > > What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
> > > in which way. 
> > > In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:
> > 
> > To compicated. Roll down all this flags to only two: we may distribute
> > package on ftp/CD, 
> 
> ftp distribution is not commercial, on CD - it is.
> Some licenses permit ftp, don't permit CD.

If someone want prepare diffrent version packages set for ftp and for CD
please make this themeself. Simple we have now close to 4K binary packes
and handle this in two diffrent way only because only *few* have so stupid
license in wrong idea :>

Please maintain this subset in some separated place if you want fill this
possibilities.

> > we may not distribute .. finito.
> and what about "we can distribute but only unmodified" (DJB stuff)?

On ftp is awalaible src.rpm with qmail.

> Anyway, even if ha have these flags - where do we put them?
> Just in the License field?

No please in some separated file in cvs.

kloczek
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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From malekith at pld-linux.org  Thu Apr 25 14:05:07 2002
From: malekith at pld-linux.org (Michal Moskal)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:05:07 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:39:40PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> --->[Quoting Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl>:]
> 
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:26:42PM +0200, --s+ wrote:
> > > Hello Artur - did you see PLD-Guide?
> > 
> > No. Where is it?
> 
> Currently on:
> 
> http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/guide/docbook/PLD-Guide/
> 
> If you want to extend our documentation, do it in docbook
> by extending or correcting this guide.

Yes, I also work on some stylesheets, to make it look good enough to go
for the main web page. Results can be seen at:

  http://ep09.kernel.pl/~malekith/pldg/html/toc.html

rfc ;)

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: PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept :  {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Thu Apr 25 16:04:53 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:04:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204251601160.32134-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > Currently on:
> > 
> > http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/guide/docbook/PLD-Guide/
> > 
> > If you want to extend our documentation, do it in docbook
> > by extending or correcting this guide.
> 
> Yes, I also work on some stylesheets, to make it look good enough to go
> for the main web page. Results can be seen at:
> 
>   http://ep09.kernel.pl/~malekith/pldg/html/toc.html
> 
> rfc ;)

only one - cool :)


well.. maybe another one - there should be more data in this document, but 
this is onether thing... :)

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---------------------------------
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From arturs at iidea.pl  Thu Apr 25 16:21:10 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:21:10 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl>; from malekith@pld-linux.org on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:05:07PM +0200
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425162110.A11015@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:05:07PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> Yes, I also work on some stylesheets, to make it look good enough to go
> for the main web page. Results can be seen at:
> 
>   http://ep09.kernel.pl/~malekith/pldg/html/toc.html

PLD People rules ;)

BTW on the main English page the link to documentation points to
http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/. Shouldn't it rather be
http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/index.en.html?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From malekith at pld-linux.org  Thu Apr 25 16:18:03 2002
From: malekith at pld-linux.org (Michal Moskal)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:18:03 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020425162110.A11015@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl> <20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020425162110.A11015@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020425141803.GB31686@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:21:10PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:05:07PM +0200, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > Yes, I also work on some stylesheets, to make it look good enough to go
> > for the main web page. Results can be seen at:
> > 
> >   http://ep09.kernel.pl/~malekith/pldg/html/toc.html
> 
> PLD People rules ;)

I just did the stylesheet ;)

> BTW on the main English page the link to documentation points to
> http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/. Shouldn't it rather be
> http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/index.en.html?

Probably yes, but all content from there has been moved to PLD-Guide,
so maybe there is no point to fix it now.

-- 
: Michal Moskal :::::::: malekith/at/pld.org.pl :  GCS {C,UL}++++$ a? !tv
: PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept :  {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h


From malekith at pld-linux.org  Thu Apr 25 17:02:42 2002
From: malekith at pld-linux.org (Michal Moskal)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:02:42 +0200
Subject: malekith: xspp/stuff PLD-Guide.patch pld-guide.xspp
In-Reply-To: <20020425145941.40F12E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020425145941.40F12E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425150242.GA15649@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:59:41PM +0200, PLD CVS wrote:
> Module name:	xspp
> Changes by:	malekith	02/04/25 16:59:41
> 
> Added files:
> 	stuff          : PLD-Guide.patch pld-guide.xspp 
> 
> Log message:
> - these files will lay down here for now

Hmm.. If anybodys intrested... cvs://xspp/ ocaml and ocaml-camlp4 is
required to compile the thing.

-- 
: Michal Moskal :::::::: malekith/at/pld.org.pl :  GCS {C,UL}++++$ a? !tv
: PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept :  {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h


From arturs at iidea.pl  Thu Apr 25 18:22:41 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:22:41 +0200
Subject: mass commits
Message-ID: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>


Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
Should it be done in the night/in small portions?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From wrobell at ite.pl  Thu Apr 25 18:45:39 2002
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:45:39 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020425164539.GF4112@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:22:41PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> 
> Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> Should it be done in the night/in small portions?

    cvs ci -m "message" *

where "*" means 'all files I want to commit with above "message"'

then we will receive only one post on pld-cvs-commit list

:-\

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Thu Apr 25 18:49:32 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:49:32 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:22:41PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
Ask someone using modem what he thinks about several thousand emails a
day --- you will generate that amount if you are going to touch every
single spec.

Is there a reason for which you can't wait until you review last spec
and then simply do:
cvs ci
?
-- 
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--= finger me for PGP public key or visit http://michal.waw.pl/PGP =--
--==--==--==--==--==-- Vodka. Connecting people.--==--==--==--==--==--
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From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Thu Apr 25 20:14:50 2002
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:14:50 +0200
Subject: License problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242057160.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020424204630.C7772@aph.waw.pdi.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204242057160.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425181450.GC8132@nic.nigdzie>

On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:59:06PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
> > What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
> > in which way. 
> > In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:
> 
> To compicated. Roll down all this flags to only two: we may distribute
> package on ftp/CD, we may not distribute .. finito.
I cannot agree to this. If we use only such distinction many of usefull
packages will be gone from FTP or noone who want to "be legal" will risk
to distribute PLD.

Going further this way we may split packages into only GPL and non-GPL.
And than many packages, with much less retrictive licences will be gone.

BTW. I don't understand why such restrictive license as GPL is supposed
to be the most free one.... I don't say it is bad (I am using it for my
projects), but I wouldn't say it is the most free one.

Greets,
        Jacek


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Thu Apr 25 20:20:06 2002
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 25 Apr 2002 20:20:06 +0200
Subject: PLD-Quickstart-HOWTO
In-Reply-To: <20020425141803.GB31686@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <20020424195721.A7623@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020424180237.GG2631@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
	<20020424203424.A7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020424172642.GB5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
	<20020424204842.D7772@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020424173940.GD5397@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
	<20020425120507.GB10073@ep09.kernel.pl>
	<20020425162110.A11015@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020425141803.GB31686@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <m3vgafej3d.fsf@pld.org.pl>

Michal Moskal <malekith at pld-linux.org> writes:

> > BTW on the main English page the link to documentation points to
> > http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/. Shouldn't it rather be
> > http://team.pld.org.pl/~klakier/doc/index.en.html?
> 
> Probably yes, but all content from there has been moved to PLD-Guide,
> so maybe there is no point to fix it now.

No all documents has been moved yet, polish developement document still are only there.

Anyway, the idea is to completely replace www page with rendered PLD-Guide.

-- 
Rafa? Kleger-Rudomin (klakier at pld.org.pl)


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Thu Apr 25 20:35:51 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:35:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252035110.24796-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> Should it be done in the night/in small portions?

One large commit would be the best....

-- 
---------------------------------
pozdr.  Pawe? Go?aszewski        
---------------------------------
CPU not found - software emulation...


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Thu Apr 25 20:19:16 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:19:16 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020425181916.GG13283@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

--->[Quoting Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl>:]

> Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> Should it be done in the night/in small portions?

AFAIK we have no commits policy.

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_________________________________________________________
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  "The moon is made of green cheese." -- John Heywood


From orzech at pld.org.pl  Thu Apr 25 21:21:46 2002
From: orzech at pld.org.pl (Tomek Orzechowski)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:21:46 +0200
Subject: arturs: SPECS gpm.spec
In-Reply-To: <20020425162907.37BB1E104C@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020425162907.37BB1E104C@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425192146.GA2123@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>

[25 kwiecie?, 2002] PLD CVS napisa?:

>Module name:	SPECS
>Changes by:	arturs	02/04/25 18:29:07
>
>Modified files:
>	.              : gpm.spec 
>
>Log message:
>fixed a small typo


Changing changelog is very bad idea... It's sick.
I know, kloczkish isn't easy to understand, but this is not a reason...

-- 
Tomek Orzechowski


From migo at supernet.com.pl  Thu Apr 25 21:04:45 2002
From: migo at supernet.com.pl (Bartosz Jakubski)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:04:45 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020425190445.GA32230@anoraknophobia.localdomain>

Dnia 25 kwi o godzinie 18:22:41 +0200, Artur Skura napisa?(a):
> 
> Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> 
And I was wondering why I've had so many mails to download... :-)
(Yes, I know - it was never said that cvs-commit will be low volume
list)
When you commit a large number of files, but with the same commit
message then It would be better to do it at once, with one cvs
invocation. This would lower mail system load definitely. (at least _my_
mail system load).

-- 
-- .- Bartosz Jakubski  ------------------- Sosnowiec -. --
-- |  Free Software is a matter of liberty, not price  | --
-- `---------------(http://www.fsf.org/philosophy)-----' --


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Thu Apr 25 22:38:03 2002
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:38:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: License problems
In-Reply-To: <20020425181450.GC8132@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252236430.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Jacek Konieczny wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 08:59:06PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Lukas this is a good idea (sorry for broken references, I just subscribed).
> > > What is more I think we need to mark clearly which packages are restricted
> > > in which way. 
> > > In PLD-doc/licenses I used the following flags:
> > 
> > To compicated. Roll down all this flags to only two: we may distribute
> > package on ftp/CD, we may not distribute .. finito.
> I cannot agree to this. If we use only such distinction many of usefull
> packages will be gone from FTP or noone who want to "be legal" will risk
> to distribute PLD.
> 
> Going further this way we may split packages into only GPL and non-GPL.

Only GPL packages can be distributed ?
Think .. :>

> And than many packages, with much less retrictive licences will be gone.

Because ?

kloczek
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------------------------
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From marcus at kernel.pl  Thu Apr 25 22:59:10 2002
From: marcus at kernel.pl (Marcin Bohosiewicz)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:59:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252035110.24796-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252258030.9936-100000@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Blues wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> > Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> > Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> 
> One large commit would be the best....

But do NOT change changelogs in spec files.
It's autogenerated from commit messages.

M.

-- 
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-| == tel. +48 601 485097 - PLD Team   - marcus at pld.org.pl      == |-
-| == http://www.kernel.pl/ -          ftp://ftp.kernel.pl/     == |-
-| == PLUG - Komisja Rewizyjna  -      http://www.linux.org.pl/ == |-


From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl  Thu Apr 25 23:16:33 2002
From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:16:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252314360.2756-100000@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:22:41PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> > Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> Ask someone using modem what he thinks about several thousand emails a
> day --- you will generate that amount if you are going to touch every
> single spec.
> 
> Is there a reason for which you can't wait until you review last spec
> and then simply do:
> cvs ci
> ?

and .. before "cvs ci" run few times "cvs diff -u | less" and think harder
on what do you want to commit :->

kloczek
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
*Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?*
-----------------------------------------------------------
Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl*


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Thu Apr 25 23:30:18 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:30:18 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425213018.GB16546@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

--->[Quoting Michal Kochanowicz <michal at michal.waw.pl>:]

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:22:41PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> > Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> Ask someone using modem what he thinks about several thousand emails a
> day --- you will generate that amount if you are going to touch every
> single spec.

Then subscribe the digest list. 

It is  usable to have  small message and check  the diffs
only for one file.

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Thu Apr 25 23:30:42 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:30:42 +0200
Subject: arturs: SPECS gpm.spec
In-Reply-To: <20020425192146.GA2123@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>
References: <20020425162907.37BB1E104C@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl> <20020425192146.GA2123@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>
Message-ID: <20020425213042.GF3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 09:21:46PM +0200, Tomek Orzechowski wrote:
> Changing changelog is very bad idea... It's sick.
Exactly. We already had a browl about changing changelogs. Artur, go
read archives.

> I know, kloczkish isn't easy to understand, but this is not a reason...
*kloczek* wrote "oure" not "our". So now this:
Revision 1.91  2002/02/22 23:29:00  kloczek
                                    ^^^^^^^
- removed all Group fields translations (our rpm now can handle translating
  Group field using gettext).

is a bullshit.

Artur, I hope that rest of nearly *thousand* of your commits didn't
touch changelogs, but I'm too afraid to check this. But if you indeed
modified more changelogs I suggest you go and reverse these changes.
-- 
--= Michal Kochanowicz==--==--==BOFH==--==--==michal at michal.waw.pl =--
--= finger me for PGP public key or visit http://michal.waw.pl/PGP =--
--==--==--==--==--==-- Vodka. Connecting people.--==--==--==--==--==--
A chodzenie po g?rach SSIE!!!


From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 00:12:21 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:12:21 +0200
Subject: arturs: SPECS gpm.spec
In-Reply-To: <20020425213042.GF3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
References: <20020425162907.37BB1E104C@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
	<20020425192146.GA2123@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>
	<20020425213042.GF3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426001221.44f09eb4.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:30:42 +0200
Michal Kochanowicz <michal at michal.waw.pl> wrote:

> Artur, I hope that rest of nearly *thousand* of your commits didn't
> touch changelogs, but I'm too afraid to check this. But if you indeed
> modified more changelogs I suggest you go and reverse these changes.

Yeap. He did that and all of changes are about one typo. Just amazing.

-- 
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http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter
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From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 08:43:11 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:43:11 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>; from michal@michal.waw.pl on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:49:32PM +0200
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:49:32PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 06:22:41PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> > Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> Ask someone using modem what he thinks about several thousand emails a
> day --- you will generate that amount if you are going to touch every
> single spec.
> 
> Is there a reason for which you can't wait until you review last spec
> and then simply do:
> cvs ci

Yup, I'm sorry, it was stupid. Is there a way to turn of mail notifications? 
Of course I tried cvs ci first, then after one hour of waiting it failed.

I mean this whole thing would be something trivial (having read this 
'oure' 20 times or so I thought maybe I change it, even if it doesn't
matter really, the specs will look neater). Then it showed that 
the commit list instead helpping turns enemy if you change more files. 
I think these small changes should not be noticed, they don't even merit a
changelog entry! I would like to be able to specify 
cvs ci "[no-commit-list] some tiny changes noone cares about" to
avoid sending mail to the list. Is it possible?


Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From jajcus at bnet.pl  Fri Apr 26 08:34:03 2002
From: jajcus at bnet.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:34:03 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426063403.GA8888@serwus.bnet.pl>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:43:11AM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> changelog entry! I would like to be able to specify 
> cvs ci "[no-commit-list] some tiny changes noone cares about" to
> avoid sending mail to the list. Is it possible?
It should not be possible.
Someone could do something bad, only marking it as "some tiny changes
noone cares about" and noone would know about it before trying to build
some package.

Greets,
	Jacek


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Fri Apr 26 07:42:29 2002
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:42:29 +0200
Subject: Poldek problems
Message-ID: <20020426054229.GA12373@obgyn.edu.pl>

HI,

I noticed that poldek fails while downloading indexfile patches. I don't 
know if it's corrected because it was earlier version that one we have 
on ftp.

I had index file datet beggining of this month. After poldek get some 
patches (a lot of them) it stopped that with message that indexfile is 
desynchronised (not BAD as it used to say). 

Then i need to get entire indexfile prom scratch (poldek --upa)

Is this problem known ??

Martii


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 09:42:03 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:42:03 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020426063403.GA8888@serwus.bnet.pl>; from jajcus@bnet.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:34:03AM +0200
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426063403.GA8888@serwus.bnet.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426094203.A14631@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:34:03AM +0200, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:43:11AM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > changelog entry! I would like to be able to specify 
> > cvs ci "[no-commit-list] some tiny changes noone cares about" to
> > avoid sending mail to the list. Is it possible?
> It should not be possible.
> Someone could do something bad, only marking it as "some tiny changes
> noone cares about" and noone would know about it before trying to build
> some package.

But the message would be logged anyway, just not sent to the list.
Information like "cosmetics" or "typo fixed" are almost meaningless,
and if there are many of them, it becomes heavy...


Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Fri Apr 26 09:11:39 2002
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:11:39 +0200
Subject: Poldek more detailed information
Message-ID: <20020426071139.GA12649@obgyn.edu.pl>

My poldek version is:

poldek 0.17.3 (beta)
Copyright (C) 2000-2002 Pawel A. Gajda <mis at pld.org.pl>
This program may be freely redistributed under the terms of the GNU GPL 
v2

here is an log:

Retrieving 
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/i586/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir.mdd...
Retrieving 
ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/[...]/packages.dir.diff.toc.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [1.5K]
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.23-15.51.02.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.23-15.51.02.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [69.0K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.23-15.51.02.gz... OK
Loading ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/i586/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir.gz...
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.23-15.51.02.gz...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.24-18.03.51.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.24-18.03.51.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [134.0K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.24-18.03.51.gz... OK
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.24-18.03.51.gz...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-00.02.39.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-00.02.39.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [6.2K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-00.02.39.gz... OK
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-00.02.39.gz...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-06.33.45.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-06.33.45.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [110.6K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-06.33.45.gz... OK
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-06.33.45.gz...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-16.54.57.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-16.54.57.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [6.2K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-16.54.57.gz... OK
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-16.54.57.gz...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-20.23.14.mdd...
Retrieving ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-20.23.14.gz...
.................................................. 100.0% [8.4K]
Verifying ftp://[...]/packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-20.23.14.gz... OK
Applying patch packages.dir.diff.2002.04.25-20.23.14.gz...
Writing 
/bumbum/poldek/ftp_ftp.pld.org.pl.PLD-1.0.i586.PLD.RPMS/packages.dir.gz...
Writing digest 
/bumbum/poldek/ftp_ftp.pld.org.pl.PLD-1.0.i586.PLD.RPMS/packages.dir.mdd...
error: 521a6081e4478834ef295cad158c64a0e635c324, 
5bdda27432746f6b86367dab170a76fe012a7eae
error: ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/PLD-1.0/i586/PLD/RPMS: desynchronized index


Martii


From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 10:35:12 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:35:12 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020426094203.A14631@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
	<20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020426063403.GA8888@serwus.bnet.pl>
	<20020426094203.A14631@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426103512.05e4578e.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:42:03 +0200
Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> wrote:

> > It should not be possible.
> > Someone could do something bad, only marking it as "some tiny changes
> > noone cares about" and noone would know about it before trying to build
> > some package.
> 
> But the message would be logged anyway, just not sent to the list.
> Information like "cosmetics" or "typo fixed" are almost meaningless,
> and if there are many of them, it becomes heavy...

_ALMOST_ meaningless. It sometimes happens that some stupid cosmetics turn
into heavier things, that e.g. prevents from building a spec file.

-- 
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http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter
"W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel]
<arekm> w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk?


From orzech at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr 26 10:46:37 2002
From: orzech at pld.org.pl (Tomek Orzechowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:46:37 +0200
Subject: arturs: SPECS cook.spec
In-Reply-To: <20020426083508.970C4E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020426083508.970C4E104A@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426084637.GA14088@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl>

[26 kwiecie?, 2002] PLD CVS napisa?:

>Log message:
>added Polish description

Use "- " please.

Something like:
- added Polish description

looks much better in changelog

Another thing that should go to HACKING...

-- 
Tomek Orzechowski


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 12:26:23 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:26:23 +0200
Subject: Licenses and translations
Message-ID: <20020426122623.A15238@aph.waw.pdi.net>

I checked all packages with dubious licenses marking them as such.
I also added Polish translations to specs that had none.
But people cheat like hell! They add one line and say they added
a 'translation'. They don't check the license and say it's GPL.
I wonder if there is a way to detect this last one automatically
(erm, what I can think of now is downloading these 3000 src packages,
unpacking and scanning each one for the presence of COPYING
with the content of GPL - any simpler idea?)

Regards
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl  Fri Apr 26 12:48:25 2002
From: ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204252258030.9936-100000@ep09.kernel.pl> from "Marcin Bohosiewicz" at Apr 25, 2002 10:59:10 PM
Message-ID: <200204261048.MAA01077@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>

> 
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Blues wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> > > Is there a special policy regarding large bulk of commits?
> > > Should it be done in the night/in small portions?
> > 
> > One large commit would be the best....
> 
> But do NOT change changelogs in spec files.
> It's autogenerated from commit messages.

AFAIK, changelogs are generated incrementally. You can safely change the old
parts.

-- 
=======================================================================
  Andrzej M. Krzysztofowicz               ankry at mif.pg.gda.pl
  phone (48)(58) 347 14 61
Faculty of Applied Phys. & Math.,   Technical University of Gdansk


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 13:27:29 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:27:29 +0200
Subject: PLD-doc module
Message-ID: <20020426132729.A15422@aph.waw.pdi.net>


I would like to prepare a README what is what in this module.
Please say if it's OK and what is in these '???' (or if it should be
there):

Archiwum                - Old materials
CVS-resources           - ???
doc                     - main documentation
docdevel                - obsolete, do not use
docmanual               - obsolete, do not use
HACKING                 - rules regarding using our CVS
home-etc                - documentation for ~/.etc/ patches
ispell                  - ???
licenses                - licence issues
Listserver-resources    - scripts helping to maintain the list server
NET4                    - docs related to network
organizational          - organizational
PLD+LDAP                - some LDAP docs
PLD-logo                - the official PLD logo
PLDnotify               - ???
PLD_www_res             - sources for our WWW site
Press_Info              - materials for the press, announcements, etc.
README                  - this file
scripts                 - miscellaneous useful scripts
SGML-DocBook            - obsolete, do not use
SOL                     - Linux For Newbies (in Polish)
template.spec           - junk
uid_gid.db.txt          - uid and gid database

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:25:06 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:25:06 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
Message-ID: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>

Does this ugly thing:

--- updown.c.orig       Fri Apr 26 13:38:15 2002
+++ updown.c    Fri Apr 26 14:13:53 2002
@@ -183,6 +183,12 @@
   _PROTO(void music, (void));
 #endif

+  if (system("rpm -qi lrzsz &>/dev/null")) {
+    werror(_("Package lrzsz ist not installed!"));
+    return;
+  }
+
+
   if (mcd(what == 'U' ? P_UPDIR : P_DOWNDIR) < 0)
        return;

solve the problem? (i don't have a modem)

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:26:15 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:26:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261425370.380-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> --- updown.c.orig       Fri Apr 26 13:38:15 2002
> +++ updown.c    Fri Apr 26 14:13:53 2002
> @@ -183,6 +183,12 @@
>    _PROTO(void music, (void));
>  #endif
> 
> +  if (system("rpm -qi lrzsz &>/dev/null")) {
> +    werror(_("Package lrzsz ist not installed!"));
> +    return;
> +  }
> +
> +
>    if (mcd(what == 'U' ? P_UPDIR : P_DOWNDIR) < 0)
>         return;
> 
> solve the problem? (i don't have a modem)

well... we can't require aplication from rpm-package....

-- 
---------------------------------
pozdr.  Pawe? Go?aszewski        
---------------------------------
CPU not found - software emulation...


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:38:45 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:38:45 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261425370.380-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>; from blues@ds6.pg.gda.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:26:15PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261425370.380-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426143845.A15843@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:26:15PM +0200, Blues wrote:
> well... we can't require aplication from rpm-package....

In the thread "Minicom vs. lrzsz" on pld-devel-pl ten people
say we should... 

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:32:19 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:32:19 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:25:06 +0200
Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> wrote:

> +  if (system("rpm -qi lrzsz &>/dev/null")) {
> +    werror(_("Package lrzsz ist not installed!"));
> +    return;
> +  }
> +
> +

IMO it should be changed in a way that it does not require rpm to run. What
if I don't have access to RPM database? Better tp see if required files is
on its place.

-- 
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http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter
"W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel]
<arekm> w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk?


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:41:45 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:41:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426143845.A15843@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261439590.380-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Artur Skura wrote:
> > well... we can't require aplication from rpm-package....
> In the thread "Minicom vs. lrzsz" on pld-devel-pl ten people
> say we should... 

lrzsz should be present, but not rpm package with lrzsz.
Nobody told about rpm...

-- 
---------------------------------
pozdr.  Pawe? Go?aszewski        
---------------------------------
CPU not found - software emulation...


From misiek at pld.ORG.PL  Fri Apr 26 14:35:24 2002
From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 14:35:24 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426143845.A15843@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261425370.380-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
	<20020426143845.A15843@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <87ofg6k583.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl>

Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> writes:

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:26:15PM +0200, Blues wrote:
> > well... we can't require aplication from rpm-package....
> 
> In the thread "Minicom vs. lrzsz" on pld-devel-pl ten people
> say we should... 
You should fix this in a way acceptable by minicom maintainer
not some ,,pseudo fix'' way.

> Artur

-- 
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misiek(at)pld.org.pl   AM2-6BONE, 1024/3DB19BBD, arekm(at)ircnet, PWr


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:59:26 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:59:26 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>; from alchemyx@uznam.net.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:32:19PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:32:19PM +0200, Michal Margula wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:25:06 +0200
> Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> wrote:
> 
> > +  if (system("rpm -qi lrzsz &>/dev/null")) {
> > +    werror(_("Package lrzsz ist not installed!"));
> > +    return;
> > +  }
> > +
> > +
> 
> IMO it should be changed in a way that it does not require rpm to run. What
> if I don't have access to RPM database? Better tp see if required files is
> on its place.

so this would become

  if (system("which rb >/dev/null") ||
  system("which rx >/dev/null") ||
  system("which rz >/dev/null") ||
  system("which sb >/dev/null") ||
  system("which sx >/dev/null") ||
  system("which sz >/dev/null")
  ) {
    werror(_("You need the lrzsz package to send/receive files"));
    return;
  }

...but I doubt the maintainer of minicom would accept such a thing.

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 14:56:28 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:56:28 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
	<20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:59:26 +0200
Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> wrote:

> so this would become
> 
>   if (system("which rb >/dev/null") ||
>   system("which rx >/dev/null") ||
>   system("which rz >/dev/null") ||
>   system("which sb >/dev/null") ||
>   system("which sx >/dev/null") ||
>   system("which sz >/dev/null")
>   ) {
>     werror(_("You need the lrzsz package to send/receive files"));
>     return;
>   }
> 
> ...but I doubt the maintainer of minicom would accept such a thing.

no way.

man 2 stat please

-- 
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http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter
"W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel]
<arekm> w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk?


From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 15:10:50 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:10:50 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>; from alchemyx@uznam.net.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:56:28PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426151050.A15997@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:56:28PM +0200, Michal Margula wrote:
> no way.
> 
> man 2 stat please

OK, but is it enough to check if these 6 files exist? Or is there
something else to be done?

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 15:04:00 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:04:00 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426151050.A15997@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
	<20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net>
	<20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
	<20020426151050.A15997@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426150400.0e80c04d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:10:50 +0200
Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:56:28PM +0200, Michal Margula wrote:
> > no way.
> > 
> > man 2 stat please
> 
> OK, but is it enough to check if these 6 files exist? Or is there
> something else to be done?

I think that patch for PLD needs only to check for existence of those files
(or even one of them, we can assume that if one file exist, whole package is
at its place). For wider use - checking if we have permissions to execute
it. So it is your choice.

-- 
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http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter
"W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel]
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From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Fri Apr 26 16:02:28 2002
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Sakowski)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 16:02:28 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
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W li?cie z pi?, 26-04-2002, godz. 14:56, Michal Margula pisze: 
> man 2 stat please

Better access(2).

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From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl  Fri Apr 26 16:14:30 2002
From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Michal Margula)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:14:30 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net>
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On 26 Apr 2002 16:02:28 +0200
Pawe? Sakowski <pawel at sakowski.eu.org> wrote:

> W li?cie z pi?, 26-04-2002, godz. 14:56, Michal Margula pisze: 
> > man 2 stat please
> 
> Better access(2).
> 

Roger on that.

So could you prepare proper patch? ;]

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From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 16:37:52 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:37:52 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>; from alchemyx@uznam.net.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:14:30PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq> <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:14:30PM +0200, Michal Margula wrote:
> So could you prepare proper patch? ;]

I think so. But I am not sure if checking for one is enough; maybe at least
we should check if this is upload or download mode, then check for 
appropriate l or r commands. This should probably be neater.

Regards,
Artur
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http://mf.gnome.pl


From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr 26 17:29:20 2002
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:29:20 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq> <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:37:52PM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 04:14:30PM +0200, Michal Margula wrote:
> > So could you prepare proper patch? ;]
> 
> I think so. But I am not sure if checking for one is enough; maybe at least
> we should check if this is upload or download mode, then check for 
> appropriate l or r commands. This should probably be neater.

The best solution would be to change the Upload/Download window (where
user is supposed to select protocol) so only available protocols are
shown (depending on installed tools). When no protocol is available
error window should be displayed instead.

Greets,
        Jacek


From malekith at pld-linux.org  Fri Apr 26 17:35:03 2002
From: malekith at pld-linux.org (Michal Moskal)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:35:03 +0200
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020425182241.A11780@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020425164931.GD3189@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020426084310.A14478@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <20020426153503.GA31162@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:43:11AM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> I think these small changes should not be noticed, they don't even merit a
> changelog entry! I would like to be able to specify 
> cvs ci "[no-commit-list] some tiny changes noone cares about" to
> avoid sending mail to the list. Is it possible?

Kloczek did it somehow (perl pld-list->feedback, oure etc).

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From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 17:50:34 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:50:34 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie>; from jajcus@pld.org.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:29:20PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq> <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20020426175034.A16476@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:29:20PM +0200, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> The best solution would be to change the Upload/Download window (where
> user is supposed to select protocol) so only available protocols are
> shown (depending on installed tools). When no protocol is available
> error window should be displayed instead.

Exactly. BTW does 'ascii' need some additional program?  

Regards,
Artur
-- 
http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Fri Apr 26 17:56:56 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:56:56 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie>
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq> <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie>
Message-ID: <20020426155656.GB4749@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:29:20PM +0200, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> The best solution would be to change the Upload/Download window (where
> user is supposed to select protocol) so only available protocols are
> shown (depending on installed tools). When no protocol is available
I disagree... Where would user know from that minicom supports other
protocols, if they aren't shown in *load window?
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From marcus at kernel.pl  Fri Apr 26 17:58:40 2002
From: marcus at kernel.pl (Marcin Bohosiewicz)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:58:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: mass commits
In-Reply-To: <20020426153503.GA31162@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204261757080.1519-100000@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Michal Moskal wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:43:11AM +0200, Artur Skura wrote:
> > I think these small changes should not be noticed, they don't even merit a
> > changelog entry! I would like to be able to specify 
> > cvs ci "[no-commit-list] some tiny changes noone cares about" to
> > avoid sending mail to the list. Is it possible?
> 
> Kloczek did it somehow (perl pld-list->feedback, oure etc).

Kloczek has administration access to machine with cvs.
He was stopping sending cvs commit mails before mass changes in specs.

M.


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From arturs at iidea.pl  Fri Apr 26 18:34:01 2002
From: arturs at iidea.pl (Artur Skura)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:34:01 +0200
Subject: minicom issue
In-Reply-To: <20020426155656.GB4749@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>; from michal@michal.waw.pl on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:56:56PM +0200
References: <20020426142506.A15716@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426143219.120648dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426145926.A15909@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426145628.4102205d.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <1019829766.26362.12.camel@saq> <20020426161430.7c16b42f.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020426163752.A16275@aph.waw.pdi.net> <20020426152919.GA20305@nic.nigdzie> <20020426155656.GB4749@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426183401.A16604@aph.waw.pdi.net>

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:56:56PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:29:20PM +0200, Jacek Konieczny wrote:
> > The best solution would be to change the Upload/Download window (where
> > user is supposed to select protocol) so only available protocols are
> > shown (depending on installed tools). When no protocol is available
> I disagree... Where would user know from that minicom supports other
> protocols, if they aren't shown in *load window?

Could you guys make up your minds? It doesn't matter for me, I don't
use minicom anyway.

Regards,
Artur
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http://www.wolneprogramy.org
http://mf.gnome.pl


From klakier at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr 26 19:35:31 2002
From: klakier at pld.org.pl (=?iso-8859-2?q?Rafa=B3?= Kleger-Rudomin)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 19:35:31 +0200
Subject: PLD-doc module
In-Reply-To: <20020426132729.A15422@aph.waw.pdi.net>
References: <20020426132729.A15422@aph.waw.pdi.net>
Message-ID: <m38z7auzvg.fsf@pld.org.pl>

Artur Skura <arturs at iidea.pl> writes:

> doc                     - main documentation

Is being moved to PLD-Guide but still valid

> docdevel                - obsolete, do not use
> docmanual               - obsolete, do not use

AFAIR already removed

> PLD_www_res             - sources for our WWW site

This is also to be removed, at least partially

> SGML-DocBook            - obsolete, do not use

I've just removed

> SOL                     - Linux For Newbies (in Polish)

Long time ago Pawel Wilk started to write one more "introduction to Linux"-like
book. But since this unfinished document is getting more and more dusty, you can
ask siefca at pld.org.pl if we can remove it from CVS. 

> template.spec           - junk

So feel free to remove this

Rafal

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From mis at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr 26 16:08:19 2002
From: mis at pld.org.pl (Pawel A. Gajda)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:08:19 +0200
Subject: poldek problems
In-Reply-To: <20020426054229.GA12373@obgyn.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426160819.A2507@pld.org.pl>

Friday 26/04/2002  7:42:29, Marcin Chojnowski:
> HI,
> 
> I noticed that poldek fails while downloading indexfile patches. I
> don't know if it's corrected because it was earlier version that 
> one we have on ftp.
> 
> I had index file datet beggining of this month. After poldek get some 
> patches (a lot of them) it stopped that with message that indexfile is 
> desynchronised (not BAD as it used to say). 
> 
> Then i need to get entire indexfile prom scratch (poldek --upa)
> 
> Is this problem known ??

Yes. poldek's indexes created with 0.17.2 (till 24th April AFAIK) don't 
work well with current version and $ poldek --update-whole is needed 
after upgrade to 0.17.3. 


From martii at obgyn.edu.pl  Fri Apr 26 21:42:42 2002
From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:42:42 +0200
Subject: poldek problems
In-Reply-To: <20020426160819.A2507@pld.org.pl>
References: <20020426054229.GA12373@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020426160819.A2507@pld.org.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426194242.GA14797@obgyn.edu.pl>

Dnia Pa?skiego 26 Apr, 2002, Pawel A. Gajda napisa?(a):
> Yes. poldek's indexes created with 0.17.2 (till 24th April AFAIK) don't 
> work well with current version and $ poldek --update-whole is needed 
> after upgrade to 0.17.3. 

So maybe then some warning should be displayed that getting of 
entire index is needed ???

It will not confuse people using poldek so much. ;-)

I must say that poldek is cool piece of software but it's last 
incompatybility made me little angry :-)

Marcin


From mis at pld.org.pl  Fri Apr 26 23:27:47 2002
From: mis at pld.org.pl (Pawel A. Gajda)
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:27:47 +0200
Subject: poldek problems
In-Reply-To: <20020426194242.GA14797@obgyn.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20020426232747.A4683@pld.org.pl>

Friday 26/04/2002 21:42:42, Marcin Chojnowski:
> Dnia Pa?skiego 26 Apr, 2002, Pawel A. Gajda napisa?(a):
> > Yes. poldek's indexes created with 0.17.2 (till 24th April AFAIK)
> > don't 
> > work well with current version and $ poldek --update-whole is needed 
> > after upgrade to 0.17.3. 
> 
> So maybe then some warning should be displayed that getting of 
> entire index is needed ???
> 
> It will not confuse people using poldek so much. ;-)

Right... I promise to warn about such cases in the future.