From wrobell at ite.pl  Thu Feb 14 00:54:02 2002
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:54:02 +0100
Subject: python 2.2-12
Message-ID: <20020213235402.GA12480@pred.wroc.pl>

Um... I have fscked some changelog part and release bumping, hell.
Sorry guys.

Remove all python packages but leave python-devel and python-libs.

Let's try following example:

    #include <Python.h>

    int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
        Py_Initialize();
        PyRun_SimpleString("print 2**4");
        Py_Finalize();
        return 0;
    }

Compile it with:
    gcc -o try try.c -I /usr/include/python2.2/ -lpython2.2

Run created binary.
It seems that python library requires some basic modules:

    Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>
    Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
    'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
    16


I have moved some modules from python to python-libs package.
Now, an application, which use embedded python scripts
requires only python-libs package (before: python and python-libs).

Now, there are some questions:
1. gnumeric requires python-libs or python-modules?
2. postgresql-module-plpython requires python-libs or python-modules?
3. ... and there is more i think...

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Tue Feb 19 16:03:39 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:03:39 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
Message-ID: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl>

This is my idea how the document about PLD for PR purposes might look 
like. This is one big IMHO however, you have been warned.

#v+
What is PLD?
~~~~~~~~~~~~

PLD is Linux distribution developed by pack of geeks, mainly in Poland 
(however this changes slowly). PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.


How is PLD different from other Linux distributions?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.

* Packages very often comes in sensible default configuration, with bunch
  of useful patches applied -- that's because packagers use packages 
  themselves very extensively.

* PLD has the best IPv6 support among all Linux distributions (and yes, 
  that's because some of us are using it)

[[mention rc-scripts, initrd, localization issues (%lang() stuff),
  -static, -devel, gziping mans/docs, several choices of 
  inetd/MTA/finger/ftp/whatever, and other stuff here]]

* In general PLD is very sysadmin friendly, several choices of crucial
  servers is one example, highly modularized kernel from distribution 
  suitable for most machines is another (sysadmins with 20+ machines tends
  not to bother compiling kernel over and over again :^) 
  [[need some more examples]]

* PLD is also very developer friendly. There are compilers and other
  development tools for wide variety of languages. This includes such
  "standard" things like C (three compilers available), C++, Perl or
  Python, but also some less standard things like two implementations
  of SML and Prolog, OCaml with several utility programs and libraries
  and even experimental compilers, like Cyclone or Ksi.  As with other
  packages they are often much better packaged then in other distribution,
  especially with respect to splitting them into subpackages.

Some other features.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is common in PLD to simplify and cleanup things.  We have very strict
packaging standards. However it goes far beyond that.  Installing package
in PLD is often enough to make it work in some default configuration. For
example installing telnetd or cvs-pserver adds it to configuration of
current inetd server (this is done through rc-inetd common interface to
all inetd servers in PLD), installing kernel generates initrd image for
it (with geninitrd script), adds it to current bootloader configuration
(through rc-boot interface), and reinstalls bootloader.

PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
with similar functionality.

Common myths about PLD.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

PLD is not Polish Linux Distribution, nor Polished, or even Polish(ed).
Specifically it means that system won't talk to you in Polish, if you
won't instruct it to. It can also speak other languages, beside English
and Polish.
#v-

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From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Tue Feb 19 16:31:12 2002
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:31:12 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl>; from malekith@pld.org.pl on Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:03:39PM +0100
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:03:39PM +0100, Michal Moskal wrote:
Nice but perhaps too technical. Well anyway this are my three Euro cents. 

> This is my idea how the document about PLD for PR purposes might look 
> like. This is one big IMHO however, you have been warned.
> 
> #v+
> What is PLD?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> PLD is Linux distribution developed by pack of geeks, mainly in Poland 
> (however this changes slowly). PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.

PLD is a Linux distribution developed since 1998 mainly in Poland. 
It is a product of bevy of Linux enthusiasts. We have around 200 
people expresing their interests in developing PLD, however number
of activelly working developers is approximatlly 50. 

> 
> 
> How is PLD different from other Linux distributions?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 

> In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
> by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
There should be some coma IMHO,
-by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
+by number of developers involved, gives good picture how does PLD look like.

Now thats it. I have to do something else.
Take Care Lukasz 

-- 
?ukasz Dobrek
   An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
   A pessimist is sure that this must be so.


From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Tue Feb 19 16:45:20 2002
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Sakowski)
Date: 19 Feb 2002 16:45:20 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl> 
	<20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <1014133520.2585.16.camel@saq>

W li?cie z wto, 19-02-2002, godz. 16:31, Lukas Dobrek pisze: 
> > In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
> > by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
> There should be some coma IMHO,
> -by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
> +by number of developers involved, gives good picture how does PLD look like.

Only if
-This simple fact multiplied
+This simple fact, multiplied
 
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|  present a valid X.509 certificate.  :   <pawel at sakowski.eu.org>   |
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From dominik at aaf16.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl  Tue Feb 19 17:02:52 2002
From: dominik at aaf16.warszawa.sdi.tpnet.pl (Dominik Mierzejewski)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:02:52 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>
Message-ID: <20020219160252.GB8187@rathann.rangers.eu.org>

On Tuesday, 19 February 2002, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:03:39PM +0100, Michal Moskal wrote:
[snip]
> PLD is a Linux distribution developed since 1998 mainly in Poland. 
> It is a product of bevy of Linux enthusiasts. We have around 200 
> of activelly working developers is approximatlly 50. 

- people expresing their interests in developing PLD, however number
+ people expressing their interests in developing PLD, however number
 
-- 
"The Universe doesn't give you any points for doing things that are easy."
        -- Sheridan to Garibaldi in Babylon 5:"The Geometry of Shadows"
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <rathann(at)rangers.eu.org>


From malekith at pld.org.pl  Tue Feb 19 17:41:11 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:41:11 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219160252.GB8187@rathann.rangers.eu.org>
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020219160252.GB8187@rathann.rangers.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20020219164111.GA18070@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:02:52PM +0100, Dominik Mierzejewski wrote:
> On Tuesday, 19 February 2002, Lukas Dobrek wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:03:39PM +0100, Michal Moskal wrote:
> [snip]
> > PLD is a Linux distribution developed since 1998 mainly in Poland. 
> > It is a product of bevy of Linux enthusiasts. We have around 200 
> > of activelly working developers is approximatlly 50. 
> 
> - people expresing their interests in developing PLD, however number
> + people expressing their interests in developing PLD, however number

Bonkey, are you reading it? You volunteered to assemble thie :)

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From bonkey at pld.org.pl  Tue Feb 19 18:07:40 2002
From: bonkey at pld.org.pl (Daniel 'bonkey' Bauke)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:07:40 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219164111.GA18070@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020219160252.GB8187@rathann.rangers.eu.org> <20020219164111.GA18070@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020219170740.GA22371@botero.bonkey.pl.eu.org>

wtorek, 19. luty. Michal Moskal pisze:

>Bonkey, are you reading it? You volunteered to assemble thie :)
yep. and looks like i'm not alone, already :)

-- 
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From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Tue Feb 19 18:21:46 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:21:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>


Lets rock ;)

(I'll write only that that I would like to see, not how should it look 
like, sorry...). my english... ech...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Michal Moskal wrote:
> #v+
> What is PLD?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> PLD is Linux distribution developed by pack of geeks, mainly in Poland 
> (however this changes slowly). PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.

Version from dobrek(TM) is better, I think... :)

> 
> How is PLD different from other Linux distributions?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
> by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.

This allows to maximize efficency of humans work - I can do something well 
- I'll make it everywhere, not only in my package. Thats why many things 
is standarized, besides not big TEAM.

* quality of packages and init-scripts - we are the best :)

> * Packages very often comes in sensible default configuration, with bunch
>   of useful patches applied -- that's because packagers use packages 
>   themselves very extensively.
>
> * PLD has the best IPv6 support among all Linux distributions (and yes, 
>   that's because some of us are using it)

More about that - this is really our STRONG point...

cite from kloczkish long letter(TM) :)

> [[mention rc-scripts, initrd, localization issues (%lang() stuff),
>   -static, -devel, gziping mans/docs, several choices of 
>   inetd/MTA/finger/ftp/whatever, and other stuff here]]

 * we try to make possibly small rpm packages. This allow to install that 
what user exactly wants to. Devel stuff is separated -devel and -static 
part. 

* we do not prefer any specyfic MTA, ftpd, whatever in default 
configuration. Because of Obsoletes/Provides mechanism there is 
possibility to provide almoust automatic change concurency daemons (k...a 
jak to napisa? po en.?? )
 
> * In general PLD is very sysadmin friendly, several choices of crucial
>   servers is one example, highly modularized kernel from distribution 
>   suitable for most machines is another (sysadmins with 20+ machines tends
>   not to bother compiling kernel over and over again :^) 
>   [[need some more examples]]

few words about BSP, maybe? :) About size of initrd?

> * PLD is also very developer friendly. There are compilers and other
>   development tools for wide variety of languages. This includes such
>   "standard" things like C (three compilers available), C++, Perl or
>   Python, but also some less standard things like two implementations
>   of SML and Prolog, OCaml with several utility programs and libraries
>   and even experimental compilers, like Cyclone or Ksi.  As with other
>   packages they are often much better packaged then in other distribution,
>   especially with respect to splitting them into subpackages.

 * way of development - everithing is driven by CVS. This allows to share 
   work and to make better product...

> Some other features.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> It is common in PLD to simplify and cleanup things.  We have very strict
> packaging standards. However it goes far beyond that.  Installing package
> in PLD is often enough to make it work in some default configuration. For
> example installing telnetd or cvs-pserver adds it to configuration of
> current inetd server (this is done through rc-inetd common interface to
> all inetd servers in PLD), installing kernel generates initrd image for
> it (with geninitrd script), adds it to current bootloader configuration
> (through rc-boot interface), and reinstalls bootloader.

more about rc-whatever - this is good and we should talk a lot about it...

> PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
> for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
> with similar functionality.
> 
> Common myths about PLD.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> PLD is not Polish Linux Distribution, nor Polished, or even Polish(ed).
> Specifically it means that system won't talk to you in Polish, if you
> won't instruct it to. It can also speak other languages, beside English
> and Polish.

We want to have all possible language supports.

> #v-


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---------------------------------
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---------------------------------
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Tue Feb 19 18:42:48 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:42:48 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020219174248.GB29470@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:21:46PM +0100, Blues wrote:
> 
> Lets rock ;)
> 
> (I'll write only that that I would like to see, not how should it look 
> like, sorry...). my english... ech...
> 
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > #v+
> > What is PLD?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > PLD is Linux distribution developed by pack of geeks, mainly in Poland 
> > (however this changes slowly). PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.
> 
> Version from dobrek(TM) is better, I think... :)

Right, but add "PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.", IMHO.

[snip]

Right!

add: 
* advanced network configuration in rc-scripts
* and this:
[malekith at ep09 /]$ ls /home/ftp/pub/Linux/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i386/PLD/RPMS | wc -l
   3549
[malekith at ep09 /]$ ls -l /home/ftp/pub/Linux/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/SRPMS/SRPMS | wc -l
   2056
[malekith at ep09 /]$ 

(it makes good impression)

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From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Tue Feb 19 18:48:06 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:48:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219174248.GB29470@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191846390.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > Version from dobrek(TM) is better, I think... :)
> Right, but add "PLD stands for PLD Linux Distribution.", IMHO.

ok.
But this is written above.

> [snip]
> Right!
> 
> add: 
> * advanced network configuration in rc-scripts

few words about VLAN, tuneling (what more) in init-scripts.

> * and this:
> [malekith at ep09 /]$ ls /home/ftp/pub/Linux/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i386/PLD/RPMS | wc -l
>    3549
> [malekith at ep09 /]$ ls -l /home/ftp/pub/Linux/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/SRPMS/SRPMS | wc -l
>    2056
> [malekith at ep09 /]$ 
> 
> (it makes good impression)

yes - this are good digits :)

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---------------------------------
pozdr.  Pawe? Go?aszewski        
---------------------------------
CPU not found - software emulation...


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Tue Feb 19 20:57:06 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:57:06 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:21:46PM +0100, Blues wrote:
> > How is PLD different from other Linux distributions?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 
> > In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
> > by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
> 
> This allows to maximize efficency of humans work - I can do something well 
> - I'll make it everywhere, not only in my package. Thats why many things 
> is standarized, besides not big TEAM.
thing_s_ *are*

> * quality of packages and init-scripts - we are the best :)
Signed: Blues, proud member of PLD devel team ;))) Damn, I'm proud
too!

> > * Packages very often comes in sensible default configuration, with bunch
Package_s_ *come*

> >   of useful patches applied -- that's because packagers use packages 
> >   themselves very extensively.
Shouldn't "themselves" be after "packagers"?

> > [[mention rc-scripts, initrd, localization issues (%lang() stuff),
> >   -static, -devel, gziping mans/docs, several choices of 
> >   inetd/MTA/finger/ftp/whatever, and other stuff here]]
> 
>  * we try to make possibly small rpm packages. This allow to install that 
> what user exactly wants to. Devel stuff is separated -devel and -static 
> part. 
* we try to make packages as small as possible. This allows to install
  exactly what users want. Devel stuff is separated into "-devel" and
  "-static" subpackages.

> * we do not prefer any specyfic MTA, ftpd, whatever in default 
> configuration. Because of Obsoletes/Provides mechanism there is 
> possibility to provide almoust automatic change concurency daemons (k...a 
> jak to napisa? po en.?? )
Maybe that way:
* we do not tell users what bootloader, what SMTP, FTP, POP3 or INETD
  daemon they should use. Thanks to Obsoletes/Provides mechanism of RPM
  replacing packages providing same service is almost automatic. In case
  of bootloader and INETD daemon even configuration for new package is
  generated automatically.

>  * way of development - everithing is driven by CVS. This allows to share 
>    work and to make better product...
Stupid question. Are there full scale (not single floppies and such)
distributions not using CVS or equivalent?

> > PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
> > for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
> > with similar functionality.
Why didn't you mentoin "wuch"?

PS. This posting is sponsored by vim-ispell.patch and the english
dictionary (which, by the way doesn't recognize word "english" written
in lower case :/ ).
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From malekith at pld.org.pl  Wed Feb 20 10:37:45 2002
From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:37:45 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl> <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <20020220093745.GA27734@ep09.kernel.pl>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 08:57:06PM +0100, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > > PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
> > > for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
> > > with similar functionality.
> Why didn't you mentoin "wuch"?

hmm... wuch isn't activly developed as upgrade tool, Pawel recently
said, that is probably won't be. Indexes for wuch on ftp and iso are 
afaik broken. I didn't want to lay.

> PS. This posting is sponsored by vim-ispell.patch and the english
> dictionary 

Heh, my was too :)

> (which, by the way doesn't recognize word "english" written
> in lower case :/ ).

Becouse, it is written English, not english :)

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Wed Feb 20 10:44:27 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:44:27 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020220093745.GA27734@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl> <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020220093745.GA27734@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020220094427.GA25745@woland.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 10:37:45AM +0100, Michal Moskal wrote:
> > (which, by the way doesn't recognize word "english" written
> > in lower case :/ ).
> Becouse, it is written English, not english :)
Really? So it must be Polish language in which adjectives are written in
lower case... :) I'll remeber this, thanks.
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From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Wed Feb 20 10:44:37 2002
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:44:37 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020220093745.GA27734@ep09.kernel.pl>; from malekith@pld.org.pl on Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 10:37:45AM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202191820280.4911-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl> <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020220093745.GA27734@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020220104437.A21179@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 10:37:45AM +0100, Michal Moskal wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 08:57:06PM +0100, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > > > PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
> > > > for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
> > > > with similar functionality.
> > Why didn't you mentoin "wuch"?
> 
> hmm... wuch isn't activly developed as upgrade tool, Pawel recently
> said, that is probably won't be. Indexes for wuch on ftp and iso are 
> afaik broken. I didn't want to lay.
> 
> > PS. This posting is sponsored by vim-ispell.patch and the english
> > dictionary 
> 
> Heh, my was too :)
Heh my was not. 
Lukasz
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   An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
   A pessimist is sure that this must be so.


From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de  Wed Feb 20 15:17:54 2002
From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:17:54 +0100
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219170740.GA22371@botero.bonkey.pl.eu.org>; from bonkey@pld.org.pl on Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:07:40PM +0100
References: <20020219150339.GA19088@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020219163111.A16860@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020219160252.GB8187@rathann.rangers.eu.org> <20020219164111.GA18070@ep09.kernel.pl> <20020219170740.GA22371@botero.bonkey.pl.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20020220151753.A26469@zibal.itp.uni-hannover.de>

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:07:40PM +0100, Daniel 'bonkey' Bauke wrote:
> wtorek, 19. luty. Michal Moskal pisze:
> 
> >Bonkey, are you reading it? You volunteered to assemble thie :)
> yep. and looks like i'm not alone, already :)
> 
Merge it all together and put into cvs. 

Lukasz

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   An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds.
   A pessimist is sure that this must be so.


From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Wed Feb 20 23:14:02 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:14:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [PR] resume, my proposal
In-Reply-To: <20020219195706.GA6092@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202201343490.1138-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > > How is PLD different from other Linux distributions?
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > In PLD one does, what one needs, or wants to do. This simple fact multiplied
> > > by number of developers involved gives good picture how does PLD look like.
> > This allows to maximize efficency of humans work - I can do something well 
> > - I'll make it everywhere, not only in my package. Thats why many things 
> > is standarized, besides not big TEAM.
> thing_s_ *are*

sure, sure... :)

> > * quality of packages and init-scripts - we are the best :)
> Signed: Blues, proud member of PLD devel team ;))) Damn, I'm proud
> too!

yeah :)

> > > [[mention rc-scripts, initrd, localization issues (%lang() stuff),
> > >   -static, -devel, gziping mans/docs, several choices of 
> > >   inetd/MTA/finger/ftp/whatever, and other stuff here]]
> >  * we try to make possibly small rpm packages. This allow to install that 
> > what user exactly wants to. Devel stuff is separated -devel and -static 
> > part. 
> * we try to make packages as small as possible. This allows to install
>   exactly what users want. Devel stuff is separated into "-devel" and
>   "-static" subpackages.

that is much better :)

> > * we do not prefer any specyfic MTA, ftpd, whatever in default 
> > configuration. Because of Obsoletes/Provides mechanism there is 
> > possibility to provide almoust automatic change concurency daemons (k...a 
> > jak to napisa? po en.?? )
> Maybe that way:
> * we do not tell users what bootloader, what SMTP, FTP, POP3 or INETD
>   daemon they should use. Thanks to Obsoletes/Provides mechanism of RPM
>   replacing packages providing same service is almost automatic. In case
>   of bootloader and INETD daemon even configuration for new package is
>   generated automatically.

that is what I was thinking about :)

> >  * way of development - everithing is driven by CVS. This allows to share 
> >    work and to make better product...
> Stupid question. Are there full scale (not single floppies and such)
> distributions not using CVS or equivalent?

None, I think... but we should show that to be serious :)

> > > PLD is fully prepared for automatic system upgrade. We supply indexes
> > > for RPM's apt-get port, we also have other upgrade tool, named poldek,
> > > with similar functionality.
> Why didn't you mentoin "wuch"?

see pawelk post on installer list...

> PS. This posting is sponsored by vim-ispell.patch and the english
> dictionary (which, by the way doesn't recognize word "english" written
> in lower case :/ )

:)
/me does not use it... yet :)

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From michal at michal.waw.pl  Thu Feb 21 18:02:13 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:02:13 +0100
Subject: [SECURITY] squid version 2.4.STABLE4 relased
Message-ID: <20020221170212.GA10523@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

New release (2.4.STABLE4) of squid is available. It fixes several
security issues. Bellow is ithe original announcement.

Package spec has been updated and it is suggested to update your
installation ASAP.

----- Forwarded message from Henrik Nordstrom <hno at marasystems.com> -----

> Old-Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="iso-8859-1"
> From: Henrik Nordstrom <hno at marasystems.com>
> Organization: MARA Systems AB
> To: squid-announce at squid-cache.org
> Subject: Squid Security Update Advisory 2002:1
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:51:37 +0100
> Cc: Squid Users <squid-users at squid-cache.org>
> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
>       Squid Proxy Cache Security Update Advisory SQUID-2002:1
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Advisory ID:            SQUID-2002:1
> Date:                   February 21, 2002
> Affected versions:      Squid-2.x up to and including 2.4.STABLE3
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
>        http://www.squid-cache.org/Advisories/SQUID-2002_1.txt
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Problem Description:
> 
>  Three security issues have recently been found in the Squid-2.X
>  releases up to and including 2.4.STABLE3.
> 
>  a) A memory leak in the optional SNMP interface to Squid,
>  allowing an malicious user who can send packets to the Squid SNMP
>  port to possibly perform an denial of service attack on the Squid
>  proxy service if the SNMP interface has been enabled (disabled by
>  default).
> 
>  b) A buffer overflow in the implementation of ftp:// URLs where
>  users who are allowed to proxy ftp:// URLs via Squid can perform
>  an denial of service on the proxy service, and possibly even
>  trigger remote execution of code (not yet confirmed).
> 
>  c) The optional HTCP interface cannot be properly disabled from
>  squid.conf even if the documentation claims it can. The HTCP
>  interface to Squid is not enabled by default, but can be enabled
>  at compile time using the --enable-htcp configure option and some
>  vendors distribute Squid binaries with HTCP enabled.
> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Updated Packages:
> 
>  The Squid-2.4.STABLE4 release contains fixes for all these
>  problems. The Squid-2.4.STABLE4 release can be found from
> 
>    ftp://ftp.squid-cache.org/pub/squid-2/STABLE/
>    http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.4/
> 
>  or the mirrors (may take a while before all mirrors are updated).
>  For a list of mirror sites see
> 
>    http://www.squid-cache.org/Mirrors/ftp-mirrors.html
>    http://www.squid-cache.org/Mirrors/http-mirrors.html
>    
>  Individual patches to the mentioned issues can be found from our
>  patch archive for version Squid-2.4.STABLE3
> 
>    http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.4/bugs/
> 
>  The patches should also apply with only a minimal effort to
>  earlier Squid versions if required.
> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Determining if your are vulnerable:
> 
>  You are vulnerable to the SNMP issue if you are running any 2.x
>  version of squid up to squid-2.4.STABLE3 which has the SNMP agent
>  code compiled in (--enable-snmp configure option) and enabled in
>  squid.conf (snmp_port option). You can check to see whether the
>  SNMP code is enabled by looking for the following message in
>  cache.log when Squid is started:
> 
>    'Accepting SNMP messages on port'
> 
>  Similarly for the HTCP issue, but looking for the message
>   
>    'Accepting HTCP messages on port'
> 
>  The ftp:// issue cannot be verified as easily, but if you are
>  running Squid-2.3 or Squid-2.4 up to and including
>  Squid-2.4.STABLE3 then you are most likely vulnerable to the
>  ftp:// issue unless you have taken action. 
> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Workarounds:
> 
>  For the SNMP issue, make sure the SNMP port cannot be reached by
>  malicious users. The safest method is to disable the SNMP support
>  entirely in the configuration file squid.conf if SNMP has been
>  enabled in your binary
> 
>    snmp_port 0
> 
>  Or at least restrict it to only listen for SNMP on a trusted
>  interfaces such as localhost by using the snmp_incoming_address
>  directive
> 
>    snmp_incoming_address 127.0.0.1
> 
> 
>  The FTP issue can be worked around by denying access to
>  non-anonymous FTP via Squid. Insert the following two lines at
>  the top of your squid.conf:
> 
>    acl non-anonymous-ftp url_regex -i ^ftp://[^/@]*@
>    http_access deny non-anonymous-ftp
> 
> 
>  The HTCP issue cannot be worked around fully by configuration
>  alone, but you can restrict which IP address HTCP is listening
>  for messages on by using the udp_incoming_address directive. Make
>  sure your binary isn't compiled with support for HTCP unless you
>  have a reason to use HTCP.
> 
> 
>  We also encourage you to take advantage of packet filtering
>  features of your operating system (e.g, ipchains, iptables,
>  ipfw, pf) and/or routers/firewalls to discard Squid SNMP (UDP
>  port 3401) or HTCP (UDP port 4827) queries from hosts outside
>  of your organization unless specifically authorized to use these
>  protocols.
> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> END
> 

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From wiget at pld.org.pl  Fri Feb 22 10:00:51 2002
From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:00:51 +0100
Subject: mkochano: SPECS galeon.spec,1.79,1.79.2.1
In-Reply-To: <20020221185322.C0A11E1047@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20020221185322.C0A11E1047@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20020222090051.GB2750@dziadek.home>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 06:53:19PM +0000, Micha? Kochanowicz wrote:
> Module name:    SPECS
> Changes by:     mkochano
> 
> Changed RCS file: /cvsroot/SPECS/galeon.spec,v
> ----------------------------
> revision 1.79.2.1
> date: 2002/02/21 18:53:13;  author: mkochano;  state: Exp;  lines: +7 -3
> - Releas 1.
> - Updated to 1.1.3 "its at least as stable as 1.0.x and will soon become
>   1.2" --- Yanko Kaneti.
> - Added file /usr/X11R6/share/gnome/ui/nautilus-galeon-view-ui.xml. What
>   it is for?

For galeon plugin for nautilus ?

Regards
-- 
Artur Frysiak
http://www.pld.org.pl/


From wiget at pld.org.pl  Fri Feb 22 12:05:11 2002
From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:05:11 +0100
Subject: mkochano: SPECS galeon.spec,1.79,1.79.2.1
In-Reply-To: <20020222090051.GB2750@dziadek.home>
References: <20020221185322.C0A11E1047@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl> <20020222090051.GB2750@dziadek.home>
Message-ID: <20020222110511.GA7083@dziadek.home>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:00:51AM +0100, Artur Frysiak wrote:
BTW some options to discusion:
  --enable-applet        Enable gnome panel applet
This build small applet executables or add applet to panel if galeon is
running ?
  --enable-gnome-file-selector
			  Use the GNOME_FileSelector bonobo component
Anybody know this ?
  --enable-nautilus-view  (auto,yes,no)
			  Enable Nautilus View Galeon Component
Enable this by default and separate nautilus plugin to subpackage ?

Regards
-- 
Artur Frysiak
http://www.pld.org.pl/


From michal at michal.waw.pl  Fri Feb 22 14:16:42 2002
From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:16:42 +0100
Subject: mkochano: SPECS galeon.spec,1.79,1.79.2.1
In-Reply-To: <20020222110511.GA7083@dziadek.home>
References: <20020221185322.C0A11E1047@wun.zie.pg.gda.pl> <20020222090051.GB2750@dziadek.home> <20020222110511.GA7083@dziadek.home>
Message-ID: <20020222131642.GD2757@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 12:05:11PM +0100, Artur Frysiak wrote:
>   --enable-applet        Enable gnome panel applet
> This build small applet executables or add applet to panel if galeon is
> running ?
Can't tell. It doesn't build at all. I've read
(http://hedera.linuxnews.pl/_news/2002/02/21/_long/1079.html) that
galeon is being ported to gnome 2, so maybe this is the reason of this
error:
i686-pld-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I../src/mozilla  -I/usr/X11R6/include/mozilla -I/usr/include/nspr -I/usr/X11R6/include/mozilla/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/X11R6/include/gconf -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/include/orbit-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/gnome-vfs-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/lib/gnome-vfs-1.0/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/libglade-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include/gnome-xml -I/usr/X11R6/include/gnome-1.0 -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/X11R6/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/orbit-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/X11R6/include/eel-1 -I/usr/X11R6/include/gconf -DSHARE_DIR=\"/usr/X11R6/share/galeon\"     -O6 -Wall -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Werror -D__const__= -c panel.c
panel.c: In function `panel_applet_build_bookmarks_menu':
panel.c:269: structure has no member named `id'
make[3]: *** [panel.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/misiek/CVS/pld/BUILD/galeon-1.1.3/src'

>   --enable-gnome-file-selector
> 			  Use the GNOME_FileSelector bonobo component
> Anybody know this ?
I can't see the difference :/

>   --enable-nautilus-view  (auto,yes,no)
> 			  Enable Nautilus View Galeon Component
> Enable this by default and separate nautilus plugin to subpackage ?
This BuildRequires nautilus. Shouldn't we separate some libraries from
it? And again I can't see the difference. Maybe because I do not use
Nautilus?

Enabling both above options incrases requirements of galeon binary:
+bonobo               (bonobo-1.0.19-2)
+gnome-print          (gnome-print-0.35-1)
+eel                  (eel-1.0.2-1)
+freetype             (freetype-2.0.6-2)
+libpng               (libpng-1.0.12-2)
+librsvg              (librsvg-1.0.3-2)
+nautilus             (nautilus-1.0.6-6)
IIRC first two come from --enable-gnome-file-selector, remaining from
--enable-nautilus-view.

If anybody is interested, package built with
--enable-gnome-file-selector and --enable-nautilus-view is here:
http://michal.waw.pl/galeon-1.1.3-1.i686.rpm (1.8MB).
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From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Sat Feb 23 01:00:13 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:00:13 +0100
Subject: resume - final act
Message-ID: <20020223000013.GA19101@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

i moved malekith`s txt into docbook, you can get it
from cvs or look at it live: 

   https://it-zone.org/tmp/PLD-Guide/c45.html#Concept

please make all necessary corrections directly in cvs,
or send them to me (on priv).
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From jajcus at pld.org.pl  Sat Feb 23 11:52:45 2002
From: jajcus at pld.org.pl (Jacek Konieczny)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:52:45 +0100
Subject: [MBT] new entry in pkg kernel "kernel panic, boot z fpartycj>8GB"
In-Reply-To: <20020223094911.2054.qmail@ep09.kernel.pl>
References: <20020223094911.2054.qmail@ep09.kernel.pl>
Message-ID: <20020223105245.GA20819@nic.nigdzie>

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 09:49:11AM -0000, bugs at pld.org.pl wrote:
> 
> Date: 2002-02-23 10:49:05+01	Author: Krzysiek Taraszka (dzimi) <dzimi at pld.org.pl> 
> Title:         kernel panic, boot z fpartycj>8GB
> Ticket ID:     #85
> Package:       kernel-2.2.20-10
> Distribution:  
> Category:      doesn't work as it should
> Current state: ignored
> Text:
> 
> Ignored, because kernel can't boot from 1024 and highter sectors.
> Make smal /boot partition as first and boot vmlinuz from it.
> *** State changed to 'ignored'
This is false for some time. It was not kernel, but LILO problem, and
newer LILO can boot from nearly any place on the disk.
In most cases /boot below 1024 cylinder is not needed.

Greets,
        Jacek


From ser at metalab.unc.edu  Wed Feb 27 16:11:53 2002
From: ser at metalab.unc.edu (--s+)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:11:53 +0100
Subject: [rescue-cd]
Message-ID: <20020227151153.GC1483@szafa.hyperreal.pl>

hello blues,

do you remember about pushing rescue-cd sources into our
cvs repository?

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From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl  Wed Feb 27 17:36:03 2002
From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:36:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [rescue-cd]
In-Reply-To: <20020227151153.GC1483@szafa.hyperreal.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202271735330.10396-100000@piorun.ds.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, --s+ wrote:
> do you remember about pushing rescue-cd sources into our
> cvs repository?

I've forgot :)

In few minutes I'll do that... sorry...

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