From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Sat Nov 15 21:25:43 2003
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Sakowski)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:25:43 +0100
Subject: Languages (was: Re: heimdal - brak pliku)
In-Reply-To: <3FB67DCF.9050409@wp.pl>
References: <3FB4A5C4.2090709@wp.pl>
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[1] The translations are not authorized nor literal
[2] Moved to -en, 'cause there are people interested in here

> Jest jaki? spos?b dowiedzie? si? jakiej narodowo?ci 
> jest dany kole?? Jaki? spis z podstawowymi danymi o developerach? Jest? 

<translation>How could I find out what nationality a guy is?
Some register of the developers' basic data? Is there any?</translation>

Why do you need information about nationality? That's both politically
incorrect (xenophoby & stuff ;-) and unnecessary. It should be enough if
people didn't post to the group where they're not going to understand
the reply (you can always reply to a Polish message in the -en group).

> Przecie? nie b?d? wysy?a? dw?ch list?w na pld-devel-* no chyba, 
> ?e przenosimy wszystko na *en ;-) Pami?tam, ?e serek kiedy? dawno 
> optowa? za takim rozwi?zaniem...

<translation>I won't send two letters to pld-devel-*, unless we'll
move everything to -en ;-) I remembrer that serek once upon a time was
in favor of that solution</translation>

I wouldn't give a <offensive> if we were to switch to English for
everyday communication. And it would make things so much easier to the
others.

-- 
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| Pawe? Sakowski <pawel at sakowski.eu.org>            Never trust a man  |
|                            who can count up to 1023 on his fingers.  |
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From deejay1 at nsj.srem.pl  Sun Nov 16 09:17:46 2003
From: deejay1 at nsj.srem.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?=A3ukasz_Jerna=B6?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:17:46 +0100
Subject: Languages (was: Re: heimdal - brak pliku)
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Dnia Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:25:43 +0100 u?yszkodnik Pawe? Sakowski
<pawel at sakowski.eu.org> napisa?:


> <translation>How could I find out what nationality a guy is?
> Some register of the developers' basic data? Is there
> any?</translation>
> 

I'm always checking in CVSROOT/users - you can find there a name,
surname and even an e-mail and when all of this doesn't seem to be
polish then you can assume sthat the person is from abroad (okay, with
90% probability).


> <translation>I won't send two letters to pld-devel-*, unless we'll
> move everything to -en ;-) I remembrer that serek once upon a time was
> in favor of that solution</translation>
> 
> I wouldn't give a <offensive> if we were to switch to English for
> everyday communication. And it would make things so much easier to the
> others.
> 

I know that my english is not so good, but it would be a nice solution.
We already have changelogs in english, the reply-to field of bug reports
is set to pld-devel-en, why not change the reply field of cvs/svn
commits? At least for "technical" discussion about the commits.

BTW what are non-developers doing on the devel list? Give them write
access :>

-- 
Lukasz [DeeJay1] Jernas
******************************************************
* http://www.nadzieja.ha.pl/ - maybe You could help? *
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From aredridel at nbtsc.org  Sun Nov 16 20:39:58 2003
From: aredridel at nbtsc.org (Aredridel)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:39:58 -0700
Subject: Languages (was: Re: heimdal - brak pliku)
In-Reply-To: <20031116091746.3f21f1be.deejay1@nsj.srem.pl>
References: <3FB4A5C4.2090709@wp.pl>
	 <1068823695.4996.3.camel@mizar.nbtsc.org> <3FB50DCB.6090402@wp.pl>
	 <c37arvskd478m0tn5beddvncpp2qs9152r@4ax.com>
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	 <1068927943.1794.60.camel@localhost>
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On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 01:17, ?ukasz Jerna? wrote:
> Dnia Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:25:43 +0100 u?yszkodnik Pawe? Sakowski
> <pawel at sakowski.eu.org> napisa?:
> 
> 
> > <translation>How could I find out what nationality a guy is?
> > Some register of the developers' basic data? Is there
> > any?</translation>

One can ask, of course.

> I'm always checking in CVSROOT/users - you can find there a name,
> surname and even an e-mail and when all of this doesn't seem to be
> polish then you can assume sthat the person is from abroad (okay, with
> 90% probability).

I'm not against putting a language tag in users. It would help me, and
we could learn who is out there.

> > <translation>I won't send two letters to pld-devel-*, unless we'll
> > move everything to -en ;-) I remembrer that serek once upon a time was
> > in favor of that solution</translation>
> > 
> > I wouldn't give a <offensive> if we were to switch to English for
> > everyday communication. And it would make things so much easier to the
> > others.

Either way.  I read -pl, but I understand only half. I watch for code,
and learn from that.  I'm learning Polish, but my Polish is worse than
your English.

I try to keep my English simple.  It helps, I think.

Ari


From zawadaa at wp.pl  Mon Nov 17 14:44:25 2003
From: zawadaa at wp.pl (Andrzej Zawadzki)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:44:25 +0100
Subject: Languages
In-Reply-To: <1068927943.1794.60.camel@localhost>
References: <3FB4A5C4.2090709@wp.pl>	 <1068823695.4996.3.camel@mizar.nbtsc.org>	<3FB50DCB.6090402@wp.pl>	 <c37arvskd478m0tn5beddvncpp2qs9152r@4ax.com>	 <20031115105057.2d51b4c8.deejay1@nsj.srem.pl>  <3FB67DCF.9050409@wp.pl> <1068927943.1794.60.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FB8D0B9.3090306@wp.pl>

Pawe? Sakowski wrote:
> [1] The translations are not authorized nor literal
> [2] Moved to -en, 'cause there are people interested in here
> 
> 
>>Jest jaki? spos?b dowiedzie? si? jakiej narodowo?ci 
>>jest dany kole?? Jaki? spis z podstawowymi danymi o developerach? Jest? 
> 
> 
> <translation>How could I find out what nationality a guy is?
> Some register of the developers' basic data? Is there any?</translation>
> 
> Why do you need information about nationality? That's both politically
> incorrect (xenophoby & stuff ;-) and unnecessary. 
???
I'm sorry but I don't see enything wrong in this! I'm proud that I'm 
from Poland. Arent'n You?

What's wrong in somethings like that:

developer Name Surename Country e-mail - even better for PLD - PLD.org 
not PLD.pl

> It should be enough if
> people didn't post to the group where they're not going to understand
> the reply (you can always reply to a Polish message in the -en group).
That's the way to...

>>Przecie? nie b?d? wysy?a? dw?ch list?w na pld-devel-* no chyba, 
>>?e przenosimy wszystko na *en ;-) Pami?tam, ?e serek kiedy? dawno 
>>optowa? za takim rozwi?zaniem...
> 
> 
> <translation>I won't send two letters to pld-devel-*, unless we'll
> move everything to -en ;-) I remembrer that serek once upon a time was
> in favor of that solution</translation>
> 
> I wouldn't give a <offensive> if we were to switch to English for
> everyday communication. And it would make things so much easier to the
> others.

This will be not eassy ;-)


From pawel at sakowski.eu.org  Mon Nov 17 15:02:47 2003
From: pawel at sakowski.eu.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Sakowski)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:02:47 +0100
Subject: Languages
In-Reply-To: <3FB8D0B9.3090306@wp.pl>
References: <3FB4A5C4.2090709@wp.pl>
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	 <1068927943.1794.60.camel@localhost>  <3FB8D0B9.3090306@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <1069077767.1796.368.camel@localhost>

> > Why do you need information about nationality? That's both politically
> > incorrect (xenophoby & stuff ;-) and unnecessary. 
> ???
> I'm sorry but I don't see enything wrong in this! I'm proud that I'm 
> from Poland. Arent'n You?

I didn't mean that. It's just that your proposition sounded as if it was
leading to making a questionnaire about religion, sexual preferences,
race and other information of similar relevancy ;-) No offence intended.

If we were to collect any information about the developers (why not?,)
language capabilities seem much more useful than nationality.

-- 
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| Pawe? Sakowski <pawel at sakowski.eu.org>            Never trust a man  |
|                            who can count up to 1023 on his fingers.  |
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Wed Nov 19 00:46:06 2003
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:46:06 +0100
Subject: SPECS: python-Imaging.spec (HEAD)
In-Reply-To: <python-Imaging.spec.1.42@cvs.pld-linux.org>
References: <python-Imaging.spec.1.41@cvs.pld-linux.org> <python-Imaging.spec.1.42@cvs.pld-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031118234606.GB12739@pred.dk.org>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:00:48AM +0100, matkor wrote:
> Module name:	SPECS
> Changes by:	matkor	03/11/19 00:00:46
> 
> Modified files:
> 	python-Imaging.spec
> 
> Log message:
> - Release 4. BR tkinter (imported in setup). Enumerated all modules expected to be built.

python-tkinter on HEAD, please

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>
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From wrobell at ite.pl  Wed Nov 19 11:56:54 2003
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:56:54 +0100
Subject: SPECS: gossip.spec (1)
In-Reply-To: <gossip.spec.1.19@cvs.pld-linux.org>
References: <gossip.spec.1.18@cvs.pld-linux.org> <gossip.spec.1.19@cvs.pld-linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031119105654.GA8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:27:17AM +0100, aredridel wrote:
> Module name:	SPECS	(BRANCH: 1)
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
name the branch, please

> Changes by:	aredridel	03/11/19 05:27:15
> 
> Modified files:
> 	gossip.spec
> 
> Log message:
> - up to 1.1, so rel > 0.cvs.1
[...]

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl  Wed Nov 19 14:03:35 2003
From: ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:03:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SPECS: gossip.spec (1)
In-Reply-To: <20031119105654.GA8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl> from "wrobell" at Nov 19, 2003 11:56:54 AM
Message-ID: <200311191303.hAJD3ZCB002254@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>

wrobell wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:27:17AM +0100, aredridel wrote:
> > Module name:	SPECS	(BRANCH: 1)
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> name the branch, please

Why ?
It's just for HEAD.

-- 
=======================================================================
  Andrzej M. Krzysztofowicz               ankry at mif.pg.gda.pl
  phone (48)(58) 347 14 61
Faculty of Applied Phys. & Math.,   Gdansk University of Technology


From wrobell at ite.pl  Wed Nov 19 14:12:55 2003
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:12:55 +0100
Subject: SPECS: gossip.spec (1)
In-Reply-To: <200311191303.hAJD3ZCB002254@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20031119105654.GA8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <200311191303.hAJD3ZCB002254@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20031119131255.GE8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 02:03:35PM +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
> wrobell wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:27:17AM +0100, aredridel wrote:
> > > Module name:	SPECS	(BRANCH: 1)
> >                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > name the branch, please
> 
> Why ?
> It's just for HEAD.
hmm... i do not understand. why there is 'BRANCH: 1' marker?

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>


From ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl  Wed Nov 19 14:18:09 2003
From: ankry at green.mif.pg.gda.pl (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:18:09 +0100 (CET)
Subject: SPECS: gossip.spec (1)
In-Reply-To: <20031119131255.GE8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl> from "wrobell" at Nov 19, 2003 02:12:55 PM
Message-ID: <200311191318.hAJDI9b3002319@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>

wrobell wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 02:03:35PM +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
> > wrobell wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:27:17AM +0100, aredridel wrote:
> > > > Module name:	SPECS	(BRANCH: 1)
> > >                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > name the branch, please
> > 
> > Why ?
> > It's just for HEAD.
> hmm... i do not understand. why there is 'BRANCH: 1' marker?

Becauce he used "-r" option to be sure to commit to proper branch ?

-- 
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  Andrzej M. Krzysztofowicz               ankry at mif.pg.gda.pl
  phone (48)(58) 347 14 61
Faculty of Applied Phys. & Math.,   Gdansk University of Technology


From wrobell at ite.pl  Wed Nov 19 14:38:44 2003
From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:38:44 +0100
Subject: SPECS: gossip.spec (1)
In-Reply-To: <200311191318.hAJDI9b3002319@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>
References: <20031119131255.GE8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <200311191318.hAJDI9b3002319@green.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Message-ID: <20031119133844.GG8957@pred.posexperts.com.pl>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 02:18:09PM +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
> wrobell wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 02:03:35PM +0100, Andrzej Krzysztofowicz wrote:
> > > wrobell wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:27:17AM +0100, aredridel wrote:
> > > > > Module name:	SPECS	(BRANCH: 1)
> > > >                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > name the branch, please
> > > 
> > > Why ?
> > > It's just for HEAD.
> > hmm... i do not understand. why there is 'BRANCH: 1' marker?
> 
> Becauce he used "-r" option to be sure to commit to proper branch ?
strange but it makes sense :-)

sorry

    wrobell <wrobell at ite.pl>