From john at antefacto.com Mon Apr 8 17:46:07 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:46:07 +0000 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors Message-ID: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> I was just wondering... I tried to install ImageMagick through poldek, and my indexes thought that 5.4.3 were the most recent version, and when I tried to install, I was told the files didn't exist. So, I ran; poldek --update-whole and it downloaded the new indexes, which contained references to 5.4.4! However, it took a while. Would it make sense to try and use 'rsync' to download the new indexes, instead of FTP ? It can make a big difference. It may even be possible to sync the indexes every time poldek is started, as the downloads, and checks, would be quite fast. I suppose it would mean that poldek mirrors would feel obliged to run rsync though... I also played with gcc3 from the 'nest' set of RPMs. As I do a lot of RPM building, I needed rpm-4.0.4 and some other packages from 'ra'. I couldn't compile some other packages, and went back to the gcc-2.9.5.4, and the rpm-4.0.2 from 'ra'. Unfortunatly, the upgrade seemed to corrupt my RPM database. Everything works fine (mostly). When I erase or add an RPM, I get; rpmdb: Bad page number: 751 should be 1239 error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed rpmdb: Bad page number: 2293 should be 2289 error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed Is there anything I can do ? What do 'ra' and 'nest' mean ? John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From qboosh at pld.org.pl Mon Apr 8 18:22:10 2002 From: qboosh at pld.org.pl (Jakub Bogusz) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:10 +0200 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> References: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020408162210.GB12997@satan.blackhosts> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 03:46:07PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > I also played with gcc3 from the 'nest' set of RPMs. As I do a lot of RPM > building, I needed rpm-4.0.4 and some other packages from 'ra'. I couldn't > compile some other packages, and went back to the gcc-2.9.5.4, and the > rpm-4.0.2 from 'ra'. Unfortunatly, the upgrade seemed to corrupt my RPM > database. Everything works fine (mostly). When I erase or add an RPM, I > get; > > rpmdb: Bad page number: 751 should be 1239 > error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed > rpmdb: Bad page number: 2293 should be 2289 > error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed > > Is there anything I can do ? Try `rpm --rebuilddb` (but better backup /var/lib/rpm contents before this). > What do 'ra' and 'nest' mean ? 'ra' = PLD 1.0 (stable in the nearest future) 'nest' = never-ending story (development version) PS. 'PLD' used to stand for "Polish Linux Distribution" or "Polish(ed) Linux Distribution) some time ago, but now it's just "PLD Linux" or "PLD Linux Distribution" - as it's now open for people outside Poland and Polish language support isn't the most important goal. -- Jakub Bogusz http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~qboosh/ PLD Linux http://www.pld.org.pl/ From malekith at pld.org.pl Mon Apr 8 18:14:04 2002 From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:14:04 +0200 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> References: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020408161404.GA27223@ep09.kernel.pl> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 03:46:07PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > I was just wondering... > > I tried to install ImageMagick through poldek, and my indexes thought > that 5.4.3 were the most recent version, and when I tried to install, I > was told the files didn't exist. > > So, I ran; > > poldek --update-whole > > and it downloaded the new indexes, which contained references to 5.4.4! > > However, it took a while. Would it make sense to try and use 'rsync' to > download the new indexes, instead of FTP ? It can make a big difference. > It may even be possible to sync the indexes every time poldek is started, > as the downloads, and checks, would be quite fast. I suppose it would mean > that poldek mirrors would feel obliged to run rsync though... Try poldek --update, not poldek --update-whole (with poldek >= 0.17). It will just download deltas. OTOH poldek ahs support for rsync (but not all mirrors supports it). > What do 'ra' and 'nest' mean ? Ra is codename for PLD-1.0. It has several meanings (Egypt God of Sun, symbol of Rad (Radon?)). Nest is like cooker or rawhide. It means NeverEnding STory :) -- : Michal Moskal :::::::: malekith/at/pld.org.pl : GCS {C,UL}++++$ a? !tv : PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept : {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h From john at antefacto.com Mon Apr 8 18:30:11 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:30:11 +0000 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020408161404.GA27223@ep09.kernel.pl> References: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> <20020408161404.GA27223@ep09.kernel.pl> Message-ID: <20020408163010.GA17962@antefacto.com> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:14:04PM +0200, Michal Moskal mentioned: > Try poldek --update, not poldek --update-whole (with poldek >= 0.17). > It will just download deltas. Ah, OK. > OTOH poldek ahs support for rsync (but not all mirrors supports it). Time to check the man page... > > What do 'ra' and 'nest' mean ? > Ra is codename for PLD-1.0. It has several meanings (Egypt God of Sun, > symbol of Rad (Radon?)). OK... > Nest is like cooker or rawhide. It means NeverEnding STory :) Excellent. Kate -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 12:17:28 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:28 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments Message-ID: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> I'm on the rpm-list, and I've noticed lots of PLD contributors on it. That, and the fact that most of the cool RPMs on rpmfind.net are PLD ones :) So, today when my 2.4.17-pre something box died (filesystem corruption), I decided to try out PLD. I'm only using it a few hours, so at the moment, I'm really just seeing things I miss from my customised RedHat 7.2 box. First, the installer: I didn't want to install it on my old RedHat partitions, just in case there was something there I could salvage. When I asked to partition the disk manually, it quit, and started downloading mod_ide & parted. I thought it was trying to start installing, before I'd told it where, and got very upset, until I realised what was going on. The installer is a little too verbose - it prints each package as it downloads & installs them. I'd no idea how long it would take, or what it had installed, unless I was looking through everything. I was also confused when the installer asked me what to do about multilingual packages - I didn't know would it install packages with just polish docs, if I chose english-only etc. That should be cleared up. I liked the detection of USB devices...but I've a USB mouse, and it didn't see fit to create a /dev/usb/mice file. I had to do that myself later. I was quite surprised that there was no X configuration at all. So, the network installer also had to download all the X modules for all cards. Will there be one soon ? There was also NIS configuration, or keymap configuration on startup. Most likely because the developers don't use NIS, or different keymaps. Some other bits: The boot was quite slow. I think there must be "sleep 1" buried somewhere inside all of the cute '[BUSY]' bits on startup. I was very used to /etc/init.d/ as I was used to Solaris and RedHat - Does the LSB specify that /etc/rc.d/init.d should be used ? The lack of a "service" command is annoying - I thought that was part of the LSB too. I note that PLD uses lilo - why not grub ? It's so much nicer. I really like the modular approach to some complex RPMs, like apache. Load of bits to choose from (I run a very lean apache). That said, when the machine booted, it did moan that mod_auth_apache was configured, but it had a "dbm_fetch" symbol undefined. Also, it installs, but does not configure zmailer on install. So, I sent a few mails in mutt, and it took ages to realise that I was getting errors like: Apr 3 09:16:28 bartender smtp[8812]: S392188AbSDCIxm: to=, delay=00:22:46, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=smtp, relay=mail.tuatha.org ([194.125.145.45|25|172.24.1.104|1052]), stat=error2 ^M->> 250 Reset state cvt=NONE Apr 3 09:16:42 bartender router[2736]: S392188AbSDCJQb: from=>, rrelay=STDIN ("??"@bartender), size=6641, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20020403091642Z392188-2736+23 at bartender> in my maillog, without mutt reporting problems. This is really bad. I've never used zmailer, so I tryed to work out where to configure it, couldn't, ripped it out & put back sendmail (which at least is a one-line "DS mail.antefacto.com" configuration). I'm looking forward to using PLD over the next while. One BIG problem I'm had was the lack of a 2.4 kernel. Is there one anywhere ? I have some old stuff on ext3 filesystems - I've just downloaded a stock kernel from somewhere, but I'd prefer if there was a SRPM I could customise instead. John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From martii at obgyn.edu.pl Wed Apr 3 12:51:36 2002 From: martii at obgyn.edu.pl (Marcin Chojnowski) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:51:36 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> Dnia Pa?skiego 03 Apr, 2002, John P. Looney napisa?(a): > First, the installer: > I didn't want to install it on my old RedHat partitions, just > in case there was something there I could salvage. When I asked > to partition the disk manually, it quit, and started downloading > mod_ide & parted. I thought it was trying to start installing, > before I'd told it where, and got very upset, until I realised what > was going on. OK maybe installer lacks of some information what it's going to do but It's doing something It has to. > The installer is a little too verbose - it prints each package as it > downloads & installs them. I'd no idea how long it would take, or what > it had installed, unless I was looking through everything. You are trying to compare our small installer to something that RedHat make. The PLD idea is that this system is used by people that used to use Linux everyday. > I liked the detection of USB devices...but I've a USB mouse, and it > didn't see fit to create a /dev/usb/mice file. I had to do that myself > later. I think it could be fixed. > I was quite surprised that there was no X configuration at all. So, > the network installer also had to download all the X modules for all > cards. Will there be one soon ? I don't think so, It would take a lot of time to prepare such one. If you have some spare time and maybe you'd like to work with some kind of solution you're welcome. > LSB too. I note that PLD uses lilo - why not grub ? It's so much > nicer. It doesn't matter I think that lilo is set by default, but you can switch to Grub anytime you want. > Also, it installs, but does not configure zmailer on install. So, I > sent a few mails in mutt, and it took ages to realise that I was > getting errors like: OK, as I wrote before it's not RedHat nor Mandrake. PLD is used mainly by sysadmins that know how to configure their systems. If you look for PLD that will configure all services automagically I think you will never find PLD as this kind of distribution. > I've never used zmailer, so I tryed to work out where to configure it, > couldn't, ripped it out & put back sendmail (which at least is a one-line > "DS mail.antefacto.com" configuration). Many people are using Postfix or Exim as sendmailers. But it's up to you witch one you will use. The problem maybe is that installer is not asking witch MTA you would preffer. > I'm looking forward to using PLD over the next while. One BIG problem > I'm had was the lack of a 2.4 kernel. Is there one anywhere ? I have some > old stuff on ext3 filesystems - I've just downloaded a stock kernel from > somewhere, but I'd prefer if there was a SRPM I could customise instead. If you want to use some experimental packages you should look at ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/ It will provide you 2.4 kernel and many more. Martii From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 13:16:30 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:16:30 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> Message-ID: <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 12:51:36PM +0200, Marcin Chojnowski mentioned: > OK maybe installer lacks of some information what it's going > to do but It's doing something It has to. Indeed. And I thought it was very good that it didn't download IDE or parted, before it needed them. It was just that I got a fright! > You are trying to compare our small installer to something > that RedHat make. The PLD idea is that this system is used by > people that used to use Linux everyday. Well, no. I understand you don't care about newbies yet. But even I'd like to see a message like; [100 out of 923 packages installed] after each install. > > I liked the detection of USB devices...but I've a USB mouse, and it > > didn't see fit to create a /dev/usb/mice file. I had to do that myself > > later. > I think it could be fixed. To point out - I think it's a kernel problem; RedHat 7.2 doesn't work with this either. > > I was quite surprised that there was no X configuration at all. So, > > the network installer also had to download all the X modules for all > > cards. Will there be one soon ? > I don't think so, It would take a lot of time to prepare such > one. If you have some spare time and maybe you'd like to work > with some kind of solution you're welcome. I'll have a look at it. The installer should be quite simple...isn't there a configuration tool shipped with XF 4.x ? > > Also, it installs, but does not configure zmailer on install. So, I > > sent a few mails in mutt, and it took ages to realise that I was > > getting errors like: > OK, as I wrote before it's not RedHat nor Mandrake. PLD is > used mainly by sysadmins that know how to configure their > systems. If you look for PLD that will configure all services > automagically I think you will never find PLD as this kind of > distribution. I'm a sysadmin that knows how to configure my system. Or so I thought. Then I lost ten mails that I thought were sent; this violates the "principle of least surprise". It's more that zmailer doesn't work out-of-the-box like qmail/sendmail. > > I'm looking forward to using PLD over the next while. One BIG problem > > I'm had was the lack of a 2.4 kernel. Is there one anywhere ? I have some > > old stuff on ext3 filesystems - I've just downloaded a stock kernel from > > somewhere, but I'd prefer if there was a SRPM I could customise instead. > > If you want to use some experimental packages you should look > at ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/ > It will provide you 2.4 kernel and many more. Excellent. Thanks! I love that 'poldek --sn nest' lets me select from there. BTW, I'm not complaining. I really, really like PLD so far. These are just a few little things that I think could be made a little better. John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl Wed Apr 3 15:28:33 2002 From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Micha³ Margula) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:28:33 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403132833.4442a8dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:28 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: > The boot was quite slow. I think there must be "sleep 1" buried > somewhere inside all of the cute '[BUSY]' bits on startup. I was very > used to /etc/init.d/ as I was used to Solaris and RedHat - > Does the LSB specify that /etc/rc.d/init.d should be used ? The lack > of a "service" command is annoying - I thought that was part of the > LSB too. I note that PLD uses lilo - why not grub ? It's so much > nicer. I've checked and we have sleep in that places: - shutdown (between sending TERM and KILL signals and before unmounting filesystems) so it has nothing to do with booting up - there is one sleep 1 when it asks for a key to enter interactive mode - sleep 5 before initialisation of usb devices - sleep 1 in booting process of mysql So in worst case you loose 6 seconds. Is it too much? ;-) -- Micha? Margula, alchemyx at uznam.net.pl, JID: alchemyx at jabber.uznam.net.pl, +) http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter "W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel] w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk? From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl Wed Apr 3 15:29:44 2002 From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Micha³ Margula) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:29:44 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403132944.3c3747ba.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:17:28 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: > The boot was quite slow. I think there must be "sleep 1" buried > somewhere inside all of the cute '[BUSY]' bits on startup. I was very > used to /etc/init.d/ as I was used to Solaris and RedHat - > Does the LSB specify that /etc/rc.d/init.d should be used ? The lack > of a "service" command is annoying - I thought that was part of the > LSB too. I note that PLD uses lilo - why not grub ? It's so much > nicer. > Oh and one thing I forgot - we DO have grub. Just install rc-boot (a wrapper for grub and lilo) and then remove lilo and install grub. I have grub on every box I own ;-) -- Micha? Margula, alchemyx at uznam.net.pl, JID: alchemyx at jabber.uznam.net.pl, +) http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter "W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel] w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk? From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 13:30:41 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:30:41 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403132833.4442a8dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403132833.4442a8dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> Message-ID: <20020403113041.GK3121@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:28:33PM +0000, Micha? Margula mentioned: > - shutdown (between sending TERM and KILL signals and before unmounting > filesystems) so it has nothing to do with booting up > - there is one sleep 1 when it asks for a key to enter interactive mode > - sleep 5 before initialisation of usb devices > - sleep 1 in booting process of mysql > > So in worst case you loose 6 seconds. Is it too much? ;-) It's probably that I have lots of services running then! I always wanted to work on a boot process that used "make" instead of /etc/rc.d - so that some parts could run in parallel, with make resolving dependancies...it's about the only way a workstation with snmpd, apache etc. could boot quickly... John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 13:34:57 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:34:57 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403132944.3c3747ba.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403132944.3c3747ba.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> Message-ID: <20020403113457.GL3121@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:29:44PM +0000, Micha? Margula mentioned: > Oh and one thing I forgot - we DO have grub. Just install rc-boot (a wrapper > for grub and lilo) and then remove lilo and install grub. I have grub on > every box I own ;-) Wow. That was simple. I do a lot of playing with bootloaders (I help maintain a distribution that my company installs on our hardware), and I've wiped my own so often I keep a grub boot floppy around. I like this. John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl Wed Apr 3 15:49:28 2002 From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Micha³ Margula) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:49:28 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403113457.GL3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403132944.3c3747ba.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020403113457.GL3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403134928.186cc0dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:34:57 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:29:44PM +0000, Micha? Margula mentioned: > > Oh and one thing I forgot - we DO have grub. Just install rc-boot (a > > wrapper for grub and lilo) and then remove lilo and install grub. I have > > grub on every box I own ;-) > > Wow. That was simple. I do a lot of playing with bootloaders (I help > maintain a distribution that my company installs on our hardware), and > I've wiped my own so often I keep a grub boot floppy around. > > I like this. This wrapper helps you moving from one bootloader to another. Grub part of that needs some work, but generally works fine. -- Micha? Margula, alchemyx at uznam.net.pl, JID: alchemyx at jabber.uznam.net.pl, +) http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter "W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel] w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk? From alchemyx at uznam.net.pl Wed Apr 3 16:12:36 2002 From: alchemyx at uznam.net.pl (Micha³ Margula) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:12:36 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403113041.GK3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403132833.4442a8dc.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> <20020403113041.GK3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403141236.42ff0e93.alchemyx@uznam.net.pl> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:30:41 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:28:33PM +0000, Micha? Margula mentioned: > > - shutdown (between sending TERM and KILL signals and before unmounting > > filesystems) so it has nothing to do with booting up > > - there is one sleep 1 when it asks for a key to enter interactive mode > > - sleep 5 before initialisation of usb devices > > - sleep 1 in booting process of mysql > > > > So in worst case you loose 6 seconds. Is it too much? ;-) > > It's probably that I have lots of services running then! > > I always wanted to work on a boot process that used "make" instead of > /etc/rc.d - so that some parts could run in parallel, with make resolving > dependancies...it's about the only way a workstation with snmpd, apache > etc. could boot quickly... My system boots up from Grub to GDM in about 54 seconds, and yours? My computer is a notebook powered by Celeron 400 and with slow HDD (8megabytes per second with hdparm). In boot up process it starts - hdparm, alsa, oidentd, pcmcia modules mysql, httpd, cups, gpm and gdm. -- Micha? Margula, alchemyx at uznam.net.pl, JID: alchemyx at jabber.uznam.net.pl, +) http://alchemyx.uznam.net.pl/, administrator polskiej sekcji Linux Counter "W ?yciu pi?kne s? tylko chwile" [Ryszard Riedel] w??czam icq: alchemyx, irca: alchemyx, a? boj? si? otworzy? lod?wk? From mariusz at isn.pl Wed Apr 3 16:14:24 2002 From: mariusz at isn.pl (Mariusz Mazur) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:14:24 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> On Wednesday 03 April 2002 13:16, John P. Looney wrote: > BTW, I'm not complaining. I really, really like PLD so far. These are > just a few little things that I think could be made a little better. Rule of thumb is: PLD is used by experienced users (sysadmins) but mostly by the developers themselves. So the big question is: do you want to help? (warning: you don't speak polish... and since foreign developers are a vast minority the "official" language is polish - you would miss 99% of the development). -- Ka?dy cz?owiek, kt?ry naprawd? ?yje, nie ma charakteru, nie mo?e go mie?. Charakter jest zawsze martwy, otacza ci? zgni?a struktura przeniesiona z przesz?o??i. Je?eli dzia?asz zgodnie z charakterem wtedy nie dzia?asz w og?le - jedynie mechanicznie reagujesz. { Osho } From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 16:27:07 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:27:07 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> Message-ID: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:14:24PM +0200, Mariusz Mazur mentioned: > Rule of thumb is: PLD is used by experienced users (sysadmins) but mostly by > the developers themselves. So the big question is: do you want to help? Um. I'd certainly like to help. I've a lot of experience with making up RPMs & making spec files. I can certainly help in that if I get a package that doesn't work, I'll fix it, and contribute it back. I would also like to upgrade packages like Mozilla & Galeon which I use daily, when new versions come out (however, Mozilla-0.9.9 RedHat SRPM won't build for me on PLD at all). Are there small projects - perhaps a "to do" list that I could have a look at, and get started on ? Incidentally I tried to install gcc3 from "nest", and got: root at bartender /tmp]# poldek --sn nest Loading ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/packages.dir.gz... 131 packages read Loading cache /root/.poldek-cache/packages.dir.dbcache.var.lib.rpm.gz... 470 packages read Welcome to the poldek shell mode. Type "help" for help with commands. poldek> install gcc-3.1-0.20020311.2 rpm-4.0.4-0.50 Processing dependencies... gcc-2.95.4-0.20010823.3 obsoleted by gcc-3.1-0.20020311.2 gcc-3.1-0.20020311.2 marks cpp-3.1-0.20020311.2 (cap cpp = 3.1) cpp-2.95.4-0.20010823.3 obsoleted by cpp-3.1-0.20020311.2 rpm-4.0.2-61 obsoleted by rpm-4.0.4-0.50 error: rpm-4.0.2-61 (cap librpm.so.0) is required by rpm-build-4.0.2-61 error: rpm-4.0.2-61 (cap librpmbuild.so.0) is required by rpm-build-4.0.2-61 error: rpm-4.0.2-61 (cap librpmio.so.0) is required by rpm-build-4.0.2-61 error: rpm-4.0.2-61 (cap rpm = 4.0.2) is required by rpm-build-4.0.2-61 error: librpm.so.0 is required by poldek-0.17.2-1 error: librpmio.so.0 is required by poldek-0.17.2-1 error: rpm = 4.0.2 is required by rpm-utils-4.0.2-61 error: librpm.so.0 is required by rpm-utils-4.0.2-61 error: librpmbuild.so.0 is required by rpm-utils-4.0.2-61 error: librpmio.so.0 is required by rpm-utils-4.0.2-61 error: librpm.so.0 is required by wuch-0.21.0-1 error: librpmio.so.0 is required by wuch-0.21.0-1 error: rpm = 4.0.2 is required by rpm-devel-4.0.2-61 error: rpm = 4.0.2 is required by rpm-perlprov-4.0.2-61 There are 3 packages to install (1 marked by dependencies), 3 to uninstall: I rpm-4.0.4-0.50 I gcc-3.1-0.20020311.2 D cpp-3.1-0.20020311.2 R cpp-2.95.4-0.20010823.3 R rpm-4.0.2-61 R gcc-2.95.4-0.20010823.3 error: 14 unresolved dependencies There were errors poldek> Is this a work in progress, or something I've broken ? John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From michal at michal.waw.pl Wed Apr 3 16:33:05 2002 From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:33:05 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> Message-ID: <20020403143305.GC3604@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:14:24PM +0200, Mariusz Mazur wrote: > Rule of thumb is: PLD is used by experienced users (sysadmins) but mostly by > the developers themselves. So the big question is: do you want to help? > (warning: you don't speak polish... and since foreign developers are a vast > minority the "official" language is polish - you would miss 99% of the > development). Yeah, you really know how to attract developer. -- --= Michal Kochanowicz==--==--==BOFH==--==--==michal at michal.waw.pl =-- --= finger me for PGP public key or visit http://michal.waw.pl/PGP =-- --==--==--==--==--==-- Vodka. Connecting people.--==--==--==--==--==-- A chodzenie po g?rach SSIE!!! From wrobell at ite.pl Wed Apr 3 15:37:26 2002 From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:37:26 +0200 Subject: mozilla, old - new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403133630.GJ29615@pred.posexperts.com.pl> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:27:07PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:14:24PM +0200, Mariusz Mazur mentioned: > > Rule of thumb is: PLD is used by experienced users (sysadmins) but mostly by > > the developers themselves. So the big question is: do you want to help? > > Um. I'd certainly like to help. I've a lot of experience with making up > RPMs & making spec files. I can certainly help in that if I get a package > that doesn't work, I'll fix it, and contribute it back. I would also like > to upgrade packages like Mozilla & Galeon which I use daily, when new > versions come out (however, Mozilla-0.9.9 RedHat SRPM won't build for me > on PLD at all). Can you send the buildlog to wrobell at ite.pl? Thanks in advance wrobell BTW. You can take a look at mozilla.spec in branch DEVEL... From wiget at pld.org.pl Wed Apr 3 16:49:25 2002 From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:25 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403144925.GB4528@dziadek.home> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 02:27:07PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > > Is this a work in progress, or something I've broken ? Work in progress, but: # poldek --sn nest\* poldek> uninstall wuch-0.21.0-1 poldek> install gcc-3.1-0.20020325.0 rpm-4.0.4-0.50 rpm-lib-4.0.4-0.50 rpm-utils-4.0.4-0.50 poldek-0.17.2-1 Don't install glibc-2.2.5-2.1 from nest-test, because this package is broken :( Regards -- Artur Frysiak http://www.pld.org.pl/ From mariusz at isn.pl Wed Apr 3 17:26:51 2002 From: mariusz at isn.pl (Mariusz Mazur) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:26:51 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403143305.GC3604@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <200204031606.43126@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> <20020403143305.GC3604@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> Message-ID: <200204031658.11886@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> On Wednesday 03 April 2002 16:33, Michal Kochanowicz wrote: > Yeah, you really know how to attract developer. If somebody asked me wheter PLD is user friendly I would say NO. The same goes for foreign developer friendlines. The discussions are held in polish and that's a fact. So the bottom line is: instead of listening to discussions John would have to ask for everything. That's a handicap imho (not that the discussions are *that* important... the signal to noise ratio is rather high plus if you follow the commits you can get a grip of what's going on whitout the discussions). Note that this should change if more foreign developers join in (that is more threads are started in english). -- Ka?dy cz?owiek, kt?ry naprawd? ?yje, nie ma charakteru, nie mo?e go mie?. Charakter jest zawsze martwy, otacza ci? zgni?a struktura przeniesiona z przesz?o??i. Je?eli dzia?asz zgodnie z charakterem wtedy nie dzia?asz w og?le - jedynie mechanicznie reagujesz. { Osho } From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Wed Apr 3 17:32:17 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:32:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 04:14:24PM +0200, Mariusz Mazur mentioned: > > Rule of thumb is: PLD is used by experienced users (sysadmins) but mostly by > > the developers themselves. So the big question is: do you want to help? > > Um. I'd certainly like to help. I've a lot of experience with making up > RPMs & making spec files. So .. all is opened before You. Most from as can communicate (better odr worse) not only polish language :_) Now as Mariusz sayd ~99% messages about PLD developmet is in polish but this will can change. All comments in cvs resources are in english so on this level all is ready for people also outside Poland :) > I can certainly help in that if I get a package > that doesn't work, I'll fix it, and contribute it back. I would also like > to upgrade packages like Mozilla & Galeon which I use daily, when new > versions come out (however, Mozilla-0.9.9 RedHat SRPM won't build for me > on PLD at all). New mozilla 0.9.9 and galeon are prepared partialy in branch in cvs repository. You must know we have central CVS reposirory with all resourses used for build packages (also all tar balls and other binary files are stored in CVS .. yes I know this looks strange but it is very very usefull :). Using this you can build any packege from any development point of hidtory. Oure repo is publically RO accessable on :pserver:cvs at cvs.pld.org.pl:/cvsroot For example: $ cvs status -v mzilla.spec =================================================================== File: no file mozilla.spec Status: Needs Checkout Working revision: No entry for mozilla.spec Repository revision: 1.140 /cvsroot/SPECS/mozilla.spec,v Existing Tags: DEVEL (branch: 1.140.2) mozilla-0_9_8-4 (revision: 1.140) [.long tags list.] mozilla-5_M14-1 (revision: 1.15) STABLE (revision: 1.140) So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec you can download current mozilla 0.9.9 resources. After modify any package you can send any fixes/changes to this list or any person which you are see listed in file commit log or .. if you will want even you can also obtain RW account. We heven't full documentation on how to use oure cvs resource or how to prepare automated/transactiomnal building envirement separated (yes we are using ths kind tools and mostly all it is ready to use without significant adjustments) from rest system so if you inetestred on some details about how to effectively work on rpm packages in style/techics used by oure team all advices/help on this on-line you can obtain for example on #pld channel in IRC Net. > Are there small projects - perhaps a "to do" list that I could have a > look at, and get started on ? Oure BTS on http://bugs.pld.org.pl/ allow store "feacture request" and "improve request" marked tickets which can be used for this kind things. Now oure BTS has no "include file/patch on send tickets" but allso source code BTS engine is stored in cvs repository .. so if you have some php experiences you can also help on exted this :) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Wed Apr 3 17:35:15 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:35:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <200204031658.11886@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Mariusz Mazur wrote: > On Wednesday 03 April 2002 16:33, Michal Kochanowicz wrote: > > Yeah, you really know how to attract developer. > > If somebody asked me wheter PLD is user friendly I would say NO. Yes .. but it can be user/admin friendly on more points than now :) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 17:39:41 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:39:41 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: References: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:32:17PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko mentioned: > So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: > > [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I used CVS to check them out). I love this build script!!! John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From mariusz at isn.pl Wed Apr 3 17:41:23 2002 From: mariusz at isn.pl (Mariusz Mazur) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:41:23 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> References: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <200204031740.43370@sorry.but.i.dont.have.a.domain> On Wednesday 03 April 2002 17:39, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:32:17PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko mentioned: > > So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: > > > > [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec > > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > used CVS to check them out). You can change this: [mmazur at home mmazur]$ cat .rpmmacros %_topdir %(cd ..;pwd) This can be any dir you want :) -- Ka?dy cz?owiek, kt?ry naprawd? ?yje, nie ma charakteru, nie mo?e go mie?. Charakter jest zawsze martwy, otacza ci? zgni?a struktura przeniesiona z przesz?o??i. Je?eli dzia?asz zgodnie z charakterem wtedy nie dzia?asz w og?le - jedynie mechanicznie reagujesz. { Osho } From wiget at pld.org.pl Wed Apr 3 17:50:02 2002 From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:50:02 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> References: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403155002.GA7579@dziadek.home> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 03:39:41PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:32:17PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko mentioned: > > So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: > > > > [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec > > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > used CVS to check them out). Small hint: Don't use root acount to build rpms. Regards -- Artur Frysiak http://www.pld.org.pl/ From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 3 17:59:06 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:59:06 +0000 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403155002.GA7579@dziadek.home> References: <20020403142707.GF554@antefacto.com> <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> <20020403155002.GA7579@dziadek.home> Message-ID: <20020403155906.GN554@antefacto.com> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:50:02PM +0200, Artur Frysiak mentioned: > > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > > used CVS to check them out). > Small hint: Don't use root acount to build rpms. Seems like a few people here have been bitten by things like doing; rm -rf $RPMBUILD_ROOT/ instead of rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/ Yes ? I will setup my account to build RPMs somewhere nicely, thanks! John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Wed Apr 3 18:05:22 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:32:17PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko mentioned: > > So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: > > > > [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec > > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > used CVS to check them out). No, no .. all PLD packages are ready for build from non-root account. So not /root/rpm/SPECS but ~/rpm/SPECS :-) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Wed Apr 3 18:12:18 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403155906.GN554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:50:02PM +0200, Artur Frysiak mentioned: > > > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > > > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > > > used CVS to check them out). > > Small hint: Don't use root acount to build rpms. > > Seems like a few people here have been bitten by things like doing; > > rm -rf $RPMBUILD_ROOT/ > > instead of > > rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/ > > Yes ? I will setup my account to build RPMs somewhere nicely, thanks! Yes but if you will look (again) in oure cvs repo in SPECS module you can find adapter.awk acript. Using this script pevent so stupid bugs :o) Try use this script on any spec file you heve by: [SPECS]$ ./adapter.awk foo.spec > bar.spec and compare :) If you will look deeper in commitd logs you will see many times "- spec adapterized." comment or simillar. Probably now you know what it can mean :) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From malekith at pld.org.pl Wed Apr 3 19:26:59 2002 From: malekith at pld.org.pl (Michal Moskal) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 19:26:59 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> <20020403105136.GA29482@obgyn.edu.pl> <20020403111630.GJ3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020403172659.GB9498@ep09.kernel.pl> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:16:30AM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > > You are trying to compare our small installer to something > > that RedHat make. The PLD idea is that this system is used by > > people that used to use Linux everyday. > > Well, no. I understand you don't care about newbies yet. But even I'd > like to see a message like; > > [100 out of 923 packages installed] > > after each install. It's almost there. Poldek 0.17 has it, I hope I will find time to rebuild bootdisks tomorrow. -- : Michal Moskal :::::::: malekith/at/pld.org.pl : GCS {C,UL}++++$ a? !tv : PLD Linux ::::::: Wroclaw University, CS Dept : {E-,w}-- {b++,e}>+++ h From john at antefacto.com Thu Apr 4 13:11:18 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:11:18 +0000 Subject: strange dlopen() problem with ucd-snmp RPM Message-ID: <20020404111118.GX554@antefacto.com> This is a strange one. I use ucd-snmp a lot here in work. I added three of my own patches to the RPM (one fixes a simple problem with snmptable, the others are to add some ID fields so we can tell that it's running our version of ucd-snmp). I rebuilt it, and it would not load snmpd extensions - I usually have something like: dlmod antefacto /usr/share/snmp/modules/antefacto.so in my snmpd config file. This failed with; Apr 3 12:19:02 bartender ucd-snmp[492]: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 24: Warning: Unknown token: dlmod. So, I investigated, and found that although this was printed by configure: .... checking for shl_load... no checking for shl_load in -ldld... no checking for dlopen... no checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes checking whether a program can dlopen itself... yes checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... yes checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no .... config.h did not have DLOPEN defined; [root at bartender ucd-snmp-4.2.3]# grep DL config.h |grep -v MIBS #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1 /* #undef HAVE_DLOPEN */ #define HAVE_LIBDL 1 /* #undef HAVE_NET_IF_DL_H */ #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 I was able to fix this by changing the SPEC file of ucd-snmp from; --with-ldflags="%{rpmldflags}" \ to --with-ldflags="-ldl %{rpmldflags}" \ Does anyone know why this could happen ? This change is not required on RedHat at all. The configure script notes that dlopen does work, and needs -ldl - but it does not show this in config.log. John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Thu Apr 4 13:46:54 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:46:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strange dlopen() problem with ucd-snmp RPM In-Reply-To: <20020404111118.GX554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > This is a strange one. > > I use ucd-snmp a lot here in work. I added three of my own patches to the > RPM (one fixes a simple problem with snmptable, the others are to add some > ID fields so we can tell that it's running our version of ucd-snmp). > > I rebuilt it, and it would not load snmpd extensions - I usually have > something like: > > dlmod antefacto /usr/share/snmp/modules/antefacto.so > > in my snmpd config file. This failed with; > > Apr 3 12:19:02 bartender ucd-snmp[492]: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 24: Warning: Unknown token: dlmod. IIRC ucd-snmp ver 4.2.3 still does not support dynamicaly loadable modules (IIRC finish this is listed in TODO file). I dont remember anything from ucd-snmp dok about how to enable using dynamically loadable modules. Do you know where it is described ? > So, I investigated, and found that although this was printed by > configure: > > .... > checking for shl_load... no > checking for shl_load in -ldld... no > checking for dlopen... no > checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes > checking whether a program can dlopen itself... yes > checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... yes > checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no > .... > > config.h did not have DLOPEN defined; config.h is generated from config.h.in which is generated by autoheader. You must regenerate config.h.in by run autoheader or if DLOPEN isnt't defined in configure.in you must add this to acconfih.h and after this run autoheader. > [root at bartender ucd-snmp-4.2.3]# grep DL config.h |grep -v MIBS > #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1 > /* #undef HAVE_DLOPEN */ As you see in HAVE_DLOPEN symbol comes with libtool.m4 .. so probaly proper solution it will be patch this for change s/DLOPEN/HAVE_DLOPEN/. > #define HAVE_LIBDL 1 > /* #undef HAVE_NET_IF_DL_H */ > #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 > > I was able to fix this by changing the SPEC file of ucd-snmp from; > > --with-ldflags="%{rpmldflags}" \ > to > --with-ldflags="-ldl %{rpmldflags}" \ This probablu icorrect solution. Proper seems will be fix around HAVE_DLOPEN. > Does anyone know why this could happen ? This change is not required on > RedHat at all. The configure script notes that dlopen does work, and needs > -ldl - but it does not show this in config.log. Can you pack all files by "rpm -bs ucd-snmp.spec" and put generated src.rpm somewhere on ftp/http ? (send me on priv URL if it is possible). BTW. Do you know anything about other usefull modules for ucd-snmp ? In current dist ucd-snmp is included ipfwchains/ipfwchains but as statically linked module and source code seems not so freshen and not functional [1]. If I will have woking example dynamically loaded modul probably it will be possible modyfi this as dlopen() module. [1] - I still cant use this for setup FW rules but partial view is possible. Probaly it will need more work on extendig MIB file and rewrite module code. BTW2. Today I'm prepare mbrowse (simple MIB browser). It is now avalaible on ftp. Also continue in SNMP subject also on ftp is avalaible gxsnmp (partialy works) and SMI tools. Do you know anything about other SNMP tools ? (except scotty) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From john at antefacto.com Thu Apr 4 14:10:37 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:10:37 +0000 Subject: strange dlopen() problem with ucd-snmp RPM In-Reply-To: References: <20020404111118.GX554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020404121035.GZ554@antefacto.com> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 01:46:54PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko mentioned: > On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > > Apr 3 12:19:02 bartender ucd-snmp[492]: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf: line 24: Warning: Unknown token: dlmod. > > IIRC ucd-snmp ver 4.2.3 still does not support dynamicaly loadable > modules (IIRC finish this is listed in TODO file). > I dont remember anything from ucd-snmp dok about how to enable using > dynamically loadable modules. Do you know where it is described ? No, they work fine. I've been using dynamically loaded modules since 4.1.0. Usually, as long as dlopen is found, they work. > config.h is generated from config.h.in which is generated by autoheader. > You must regenerate config.h.in by run autoheader or if DLOPEN isnt't > defined in configure.in you must add this to acconfih.h and after this > run autoheader. The rpm build process does do all that. It runs; + cd ucd-snmp-4.2.3 + libtoolize --copy --force You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'. + aclocal + autoheader + autoconf + ./configure LDFLAGS=-s .... > > [root at bartender ucd-snmp-4.2.3]# grep DL config.h |grep -v MIBS > > #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1 > > /* #undef HAVE_DLOPEN */ > As you see in HAVE_DLOPEN symbol comes with libtool.m4 .. so probaly > proper solution it will be patch this for change s/DLOPEN/HAVE_DLOPEN/. Are you sure ? This same SRPM on RedHat does detect dlopen() correctly, and has #define HAVE_DLOPEN 1 in it's config.h afterwards - though I had to do some changing to the spec, to get it to configure, like; [root at doozer SPECS]# diff ucd-snmp.spec ucd-snmp.spec.changed 2d1 < %include /usr/lib/rpm/macros.perl 50d48 < BuildRequires: libwrap-devel 53d50 < BuildRequires: popt-devel 59,60d55 < BuildRequires: rpm-perlprov >= 3.0.3-16 < BuildRequires: perl-devel >= 5.6.1 393,394d387 < --with-cflags="%{rpmcflags} -I%{_includedir}/rpm" \ < --with-ldflags="%{rpmldflags}" \ > > Does anyone know why this could happen ? This change is not required on > > RedHat at all. The configure script notes that dlopen does work, and needs > > -ldl - but it does not show this in config.log. > Can you pack all files by "rpm -bs ucd-snmp.spec" and put generated > src.rpm somewhere on ftp/http ? (send me on priv URL if it is possible). This is just the ucd-snmp-4.2.3-4.src.rpm downloaded from ftp.pld.org.pl > BTW. Do you know anything about other usefull modules for ucd-snmp ? Not really. We use snmp in a product we make (linux based load balancer), so we have some extensions to let people configure ipvs & our monitoring and notification software. That is all I use it for. > BTW2. Today I'm prepare mbrowse (simple MIB browser). It is now avalaible > on ftp. Also continue in SNMP subject also on ftp is avalaible gxsnmp > (partialy works) and SMI tools. Do you know anything about other SNMP > tools ? (except scotty) I was going to write a mib browser in PHP, but never got around to it. It would be nice if you had a SNMP browser in PHP running on the server too, so you didn't need an SNMP client. There are very few good free tools for snmp, as people are willing to pay for SNMP tools. John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Thu Apr 4 19:04:30 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:04:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: strange dlopen() problem with ucd-snmp RPM In-Reply-To: <20020404121035.GZ554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: [..] > > > [root at bartender ucd-snmp-4.2.3]# grep DL config.h |grep -v MIBS > > > #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1 > > > /* #undef HAVE_DLOPEN */ > > As you see in HAVE_DLOPEN symbol comes with libtool.m4 .. so probaly > > proper solution it will be patch this for change s/DLOPEN/HAVE_DLOPEN/. > > Are you sure ? No. You are right this bug exist only in oure ucd-snmp and I'm wrkong on fix this. [/.\] > > BTW. Do you know anything about other usefull modules for ucd-snmp ? > > Not really. We use snmp in a product we make (linux based load balancer), > so we have some extensions to let people configure ipvs & our monitoring > and notification software. That is all I use it for. So probably it is not avalaible publicaly (?). > > BTW2. Today I'm prepare mbrowse (simple MIB browser). It is now avalaible > > on ftp. Also continue in SNMP subject also on ftp is avalaible gxsnmp > > (partialy works) and SMI tools. Do you know anything about other SNMP > > tools ? (except scotty) > > I was going to write a mib browser in PHP, but never got around to it. It > would be nice if you had a SNMP browser in PHP running on the server too, > so you didn't need an SNMP client. > > There are very few good free tools for snmp, as people are willing to pay > for SNMP tools. IMHO good base is gxsnmp for have good tool but it is in kind "development freez" :> For examaple now only work storing configuration in SQL table and exist only one mysql backend (postgresq even not compiles). Probaby it will be better rewrite this part for manage configuration using libgda or someting. Have something more similar to HP/OpenView it will be very good think ;> kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From misiek at pld.ORG.PL Mon Apr 8 19:22:34 2002 From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz) Date: 08 Apr 2002 19:22:34 +0200 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020408162210.GB12997@satan.blackhosts> References: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> <20020408162210.GB12997@satan.blackhosts> Message-ID: <87hemmayw5.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> Jakub Bogusz writes: > > rpmdb: Bad page number: 751 should be 1239 > > error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed > > rpmdb: Bad page number: 2293 should be 2289 > > error: db4 error(-30979) from db->verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database verification failed > > > > Is there anything I can do ? > > Try `rpm --rebuilddb` (but better backup /var/lib/rpm contents before > this). And upgreade your rpm and db4 to latest versions. -- Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz IPv6 ready PLD Linux at http://www.pld.org.pl misiek(at)pld.org.pl AM2-6BONE, 1024/3DB19BBD, arekm(at)ircnet, PWr From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl Tue Apr 9 12:08:27 2002 From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > I'm on the rpm-list, and I've noticed lots of PLD contributors on it. > That, and the fact that most of the cool RPMs on rpmfind.net are PLD ones > :) :) > First, the installer: > The installer is a little too verbose - it prints each package as it > downloads & installs them. many people were talking that it's too little verbose. What have we do? Make 2 instalers?? > I'd no idea how long it would take, or what > it had installed, unless I was looking through everything. yes - this could be very usefull > I was also confused when the installer asked me what to do about > multilingual packages - I didn't know would it install packages with > just polish docs, if I chose english-only etc. That should be cleared > up. come on - we aren't making polish distribution... This is PLD Linux Distribution. Yes, polish is very well supported, but english is base. > I liked the detection of USB devices...but I've a USB mouse, and it > didn't see fit to create a /dev/usb/mice file. I had to do that myself > later. none mouse is detected. especialy usb. This could be on TODO list (Malekith? :) ) usbfs is now mounted on cvs versions > I was quite surprised that there was no X configuration at all. So, > the network installer also had to download all the X modules for all > cards. Will there be one soon ? yes, X configuration is on TODO-list. When? who knows... (do you want to make it? ;) ) you can select modules to your card - installer supports it... > Some other bits: > The boot was quite slow. I think there must be "sleep 1" buried > somewhere inside all of the cute '[BUSY]' bits on startup. come on... On debian which I sometimes have to use (sad, but true...) this take the same time... > I was very used to /etc/init.d/ as I was used to Solaris and > RedHat - Does the LSB specify that /etc/rc.d/init.d should be used ? The > lack of a "service" command is annoying - I thought that was part of the > LSB too. In cvs-version there is service > I note that PLD uses lilo - why not grub ? It's so much nicer. we have grub too. and rc-boot at your wish > Also, it installs, but does not configure zmailer on install. So, I > sent a few mails in mutt, and it took ages to realise that I was > getting errors like: > Apr 3 09:16:28 bartender smtp[8812]: S392188AbSDCIxm: to=, > delay=00:22:46, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=smtp, relay=mail.tuatha.org > ([194.125.145.45|25|172.24.1.104|1052]), stat=error2 ^M->> 250 Reset state > cvt=NONE > Apr 3 09:16:42 bartender router[2736]: S392188AbSDCJQb: > from=>, rrelay=STDIN ("??"@bartender), size=6641, > nrcpts=1, msgid=<20020403091642Z392188-2736+23 at bartender> > in my maillog, without mutt reporting problems. This is really bad. > I've never used zmailer, so I tryed to work out where to configure it, > couldn't, ripped it out & put back sendmail (which at least is a one-line > "DS mail.antefacto.com" configuration). zmailer is not good prepared... > I'm looking forward to using PLD over the next while. One BIG problem > I'm had was the lack of a 2.4 kernel. Is there one anywhere ? I have some > old stuff on ext3 filesystems - I've just downloaded a stock kernel from > somewhere, but I'd prefer if there was a SRPM I could customise instead. we have 2.4 in "nest" on ftp. -- --------------------------------- pozdr. Pawe? Go?aszewski --------------------------------- CPU not found - software emulation... From blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl Tue Apr 9 12:15:12 2002 From: blues at ds6.pg.gda.pl (Blues) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:15:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: <20020403153941.GL554@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > > So usiging builder script stored in SPECS module by: > > [SPECS]$ ./builder -g -r DEVEL mozilla.spec > This is wonderful. It took me a while to work out that I should have all > my SPEC files in /root/rpm/SPECS instead of /tmp/SPECS (which is where I > used CVS to check them out). > I love this build script!!! WARNING. Don't build RPMs from root. You can do maaaany bad things with your system... -- --------------------------------- pozdr. Pawe? Go?aszewski --------------------------------- CPU not found - software emulation... From john at antefacto.com Tue Apr 9 15:42:21 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:42:21 +0000 Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020408161404.GA27223@ep09.kernel.pl> References: <20020408154606.GH14249@antefacto.com> <20020408161404.GA27223@ep09.kernel.pl> Message-ID: <20020409134220.GQ17962@antefacto.com> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:14:04PM +0200, Michal Moskal mentioned: > Try poldek --update, not poldek --update-whole (with poldek >= 0.17). > It will just download deltas. > > OTOH poldek ahs support for rsync (but not all mirrors supports it). Is there a list of which mirrors do support it ? John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From qboosh at pld.org.pl Tue Apr 9 21:23:34 2002 From: qboosh at pld.org.pl (Jakub Bogusz) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:23:34 +0200 Subject: new user, and some questions/comments In-Reply-To: References: <20020403101728.GE3121@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020409192334.GD24321@satan.blackhosts> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:08:27PM +0200, Blues wrote: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: [...] > > I was very used to /etc/init.d/ as I was used to Solaris and > > RedHat - Does the LSB specify that /etc/rc.d/init.d should be used ? The > > lack of a "service" command is annoying - I thought that was part of the > > LSB too. > > In cvs-version there is service BTW: I've checked LSB 1.1.0 - it says about /etc/init.d, but doesn't mention 'service' command. Maybe it whould be better to add /etc/init.d symlink for more LSB compliance (but NOT /etc/rc[0-7].d dirs as some other "standard" wanted)... but I think 'service' command is more useful. Also, I don't think about strictly obeying LSB - it says for example "Packages may not use RPM triggers" - but sometimes triggers are _needed_ for correct upgrade. -- Jakub Bogusz http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~qboosh/ From marcus at kernel.pl Tue Apr 9 23:07:10 2002 From: marcus at kernel.pl (Marcin Bohosiewicz) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: comment on poldek/PLD mirrors In-Reply-To: <20020409134220.GQ17962@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:14:04PM +0200, Michal Moskal mentioned: > > Try poldek --update, not poldek --update-whole (with poldek >= 0.17). > > It will just download deltas. > > > > OTOH poldek ahs support for rsync (but not all mirrors supports it). > > Is there a list of which mirrors do support it ? For example rsync://rsync.pld.org.pl/pld/ - our main ftp/rsync server. Regards, Martin -- -| == Marcin Bohosiewicz - MB8042-RIPE - marcus at kernel.pl == |- -| == tel. +48 601 485097 - PLD Team - marcus at pld.org.pl == |- -| == http://www.kernel.pl/ - ftp://ftp.kernel.pl/ == |- -| == PLUG - Komisja Rewizyjna - http://www.linux.org.pl/ == |- From john at antefacto.com Wed Apr 10 19:22:25 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:22:25 +0000 Subject: setting a timezone Message-ID: <20020410172224.GY17962@antefacto.com> I thought it would be /etc/sysconfig/timezone, however this contains; ZONE_INFO_DIR="/usr/share/zoneinfo" ZONE_INFO_SCHEME="posix" ZONE_INFO_AREA="Europe" TIME_ZONE="Eire" And $TZ in shell is empty. It seems I'm set to UTC all the time. Should I just put "export TZ=Eire" into /etc/profile, and leave it at that ? John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Wed Apr 10 20:25:08 2002 From: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?=) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:25:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: setting a timezone In-Reply-To: <20020410172224.GY17962@antefacto.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > I thought it would be /etc/sysconfig/timezone, however this contains; > > ZONE_INFO_DIR="/usr/share/zoneinfo" > ZONE_INFO_SCHEME="posix" > ZONE_INFO_AREA="Europe" > TIME_ZONE="Eire" > > And $TZ in shell is empty. It seems I'm set to UTC all the time. Should I > just put "export TZ=Eire" into /etc/profile, and leave it at that ? This data are used for setting up on boot /etc/localtime symlink. IIRC this fits all what is necessary for setup default system time zone. If someone want use other zone other than default must setup in private ~/.profile TZ variable. kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek at rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From john at antefacto.com Fri Apr 19 14:54:33 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:54:33 +0000 Subject: nest/test not working ? Message-ID: <20020419125433.GD3870@antefacto.com> From 'poldek --update' - Running rsync -v rsync://ftp.pld.kernel.pl/pld/dists/nest/test/i686.mdd /root/.poldek-cache/rsync_ftp.pld.kernel.pl.pld.dists.nest.test rsync: link_stat dists/nest/test/i686.mdd : No such file or directory rsync: client: nothing to do: perhaps you need to specify some filenames or the --recursive option? rsync: rsync error: partial transfer (code 23) at main.c(594) error: program exited with non-zero value warn: rsync://ftp.pld.kernel.pl/pld/dists/nest/test/i686: load failed, skipped I had a look in ftp://ftp.pld.org.pl/dists/nest/test/i686/ - there are lots of files there....what could be wrong ? John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From wiget at pld.org.pl Fri Apr 19 15:09:49 2002 From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:09:49 +0200 Subject: nest/test not working ? In-Reply-To: <20020419125433.GD3870@antefacto.com> References: <20020419125433.GD3870@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020419130948.GA27011@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:54:33PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > From 'poldek --update' - > > Running rsync -v rsync://ftp.pld.kernel.pl/pld/dists/nest/test/i686.mdd > /root/.poldek-cache/rsync_ftp.pld.kernel.pl.pld.dists.nest.test > rsync: link_stat dists/nest/test/i686.mdd : No such file or directory $EDITOR /etc/poldek.conf and add '/' at end of nest/test Regards -- Artur Frysiak http://www.pld.org.pl/ From john at antefacto.com Fri Apr 19 15:12:46 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:12:46 +0000 Subject: nest/test not working ? In-Reply-To: <20020419130948.GA27011@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> References: <20020419125433.GD3870@antefacto.com> <20020419130948.GA27011@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> Message-ID: <20020419131246.GF3870@antefacto.com> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:09:49PM +0200, Artur Frysiak mentioned: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 12:54:33PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > > From 'poldek --update' - > > Running rsync -v rsync://ftp.pld.kernel.pl/pld/dists/nest/test/i686.mdd > > /root/.poldek-cache/rsync_ftp.pld.kernel.pl.pld.dists.nest.test > > rsync: link_stat dists/nest/test/i686.mdd : No such file or directory > $EDITOR /etc/poldek.conf > and add '/' at end of nest/test Excellent. You are a scholar & a gentleman. Thank you!!! John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From john at antefacto.com Fri Apr 19 17:31:57 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:31:57 +0000 Subject: mozilla/galeon Message-ID: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> Hi, I just upgraded my mozilla to rc1 with the builder script. It doesn't make a mozilla-embedded RPM however, like the 0.9.8 spec file did. Is this intentional ? It's just that I'd like to play with Galeon also.... John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From john at antefacto.com Fri Apr 19 17:35:13 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:35:13 +0000 Subject: mozilla/galeon In-Reply-To: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> References: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020419153513.GN3870@antefacto.com> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:31:57PM +0000, John P. Looney mentioned: > Hi, I just upgraded my mozilla to rc1 with the builder script. > > It doesn't make a mozilla-embedded RPM however, like the 0.9.8 spec file > did. Is this intentional ? It's just that I'd like to play with Galeon > also.... OK, I've noticed that mozilla "provides" gtkmozembed.so - however the galeon source RPM can't find it...investigating... John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From misiek at pld.ORG.PL Fri Apr 19 17:37:23 2002 From: misiek at pld.ORG.PL (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz) Date: 19 Apr 2002 17:37:23 +0200 Subject: mozilla/galeon In-Reply-To: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> References: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <873cxr7l8s.fsf@arm.t19.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> "John P. Looney" writes: > It doesn't make a mozilla-embedded RPM however, like the 0.9.8 spec file > did. Is this intentional ? It's just that I'd like to play with Galeon > also.... There is separate spec for embedded version: mozilla-embedded.spec (DEVEL branch). > John -- Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz IPv6 ready PLD Linux at http://www.pld.org.pl misiek(at)pld.org.pl AM2-6BONE, 1024/3DB19BBD, arekm(at)ircnet, PWr From wrobell at ite.pl Fri Apr 19 23:33:25 2002 From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:33:25 +0200 Subject: mozilla/galeon In-Reply-To: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> References: <20020419153156.GM3870@antefacto.com> Message-ID: <20020419213325.GD2859@pred.wroc.pl> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:31:57PM +0000, John P. Looney wrote: > Hi, I just upgraded my mozilla to rc1 with the builder script. > > It doesn't make a mozilla-embedded RPM however, like the 0.9.8 spec file > did. Is this intentional ? It's just that I'd like to play with Galeon > also.... You can build and use galeon with mozilla package (mozilla.spec)[1]. It is possible to build and use galeon with mozilla-embedded package (mozilla-embedded.spec). BTW skipstone and light have good build and install requirements rules. I have just applied the same rules for galeon (it required mozilla, not mozilla-embedded which is provided by mozilla too). wrobell [1] galeon 1.2.0 does not build with mozilla 1.0.rc1 (1.2.1 is coming); skipstone and light build and work -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wrobell at ite.pl Sun Apr 21 07:31:41 2002 From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 07:31:41 +0200 Subject: mozilla and mozilla-embedded Message-ID: <20020421053141.GA15401@pred.wroc.pl> I have just finished package for mozilla-embedded 1.0.rc1. Previous embedded mozilla packages had problems with psm (personal security manager) and java script console. Now it works nicely. You need only to install galeon, skipstone or light (your taste may vary) to have good browser support on your box. Why embedded version of mozilla? Look at the numbers :-] # rpm -qp --qf '%12{SIZE} %{NAME}\n' \ mozilla-embedded-1.0.rc1-1.i686.rpm mozilla-1.0.rc1-0.2.i686.rpm \ galeon-1.2.1-1.i686.rpm | awk '{ printf("%2dMB %s\n", $1/1024/1024, $2)}' 17MB mozilla-embedded 30MB mozilla 5MB galeon What to say more? You can build it with: cd ~/rpm/SPECS ./builder -ba -r DEVEL mozilla-embedded.spec Let's sleep... wrobell -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john at antefacto.com Mon Apr 22 13:32:28 2002 From: john at antefacto.com (John P. Looney) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:32:28 +0000 Subject: mozilla and mozilla-embedded In-Reply-To: <20020421053141.GA15401@pred.wroc.pl> References: <20020421053141.GA15401@pred.wroc.pl> Message-ID: <20020422113226.GA19384@antefacto.com> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:31:41AM +0200, wrobell mentioned: > 17MB mozilla-embedded > 30MB mozilla > 5MB galeon > What to say more? Wow. Big difference. Thanks!!! I'll play with that later today... John -- _______________________________________ John Looney Chief Scientist a n t e f a c t o t: +353 1 8586004 www.antefacto.com f: +353 1 8586014 From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de Tue Apr 23 10:17:30 2002 From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:17:30 +0200 Subject: iso Message-ID: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> Am I stupid? I've downloaded yesterday iso from fpt://.../iso/1.0/i686/* The problem is that packages which in my opinion are the most important like glibc-2.* are not there? I can see glibc-devel glibc-static glibc-memusage whatever but there is no glibc. The same story with perl python and so on. Am I missing something ? Take Care Lukasz -- ?ukasz Dobrek An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist is sure that this must be so. From wrobell at ite.pl Tue Apr 23 10:28:11 2002 From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:28:11 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> Message-ID: <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:17:30AM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote: > > Am I stupid? I've downloaded yesterday iso from fpt://.../iso/1.0/i686/* > > The problem is that packages which in my opinion are the most important > like glibc-2.* are not there? I can see glibc-devel glibc-static > glibc-memusage whatever but there is no glibc. The same story with > perl python and so on. Am I missing something ? Are you missing first cd? wrobell From orzech at pld.org.pl Tue Apr 23 10:28:00 2002 From: orzech at pld.org.pl (Tomek Orzechowski) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:28:00 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> Message-ID: <20020423082800.GA7937@alpha.hq.cs.net.pl> [23 kwiecie?, 2002] wrobell wrote: >On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:17:30AM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote: >> >> Am I stupid? I've downloaded yesterday iso from fpt://.../iso/1.0/i686/* >> >> The problem is that packages which in my opinion are the most important >> like glibc-2.* are not there? I can see glibc-devel glibc-static >> glibc-memusage whatever but there is no glibc. The same story with >> perl python and so on. Am I missing something ? >Are you missing first cd? FYI: first is -base.iso second is -1.iso -- Tomek Orzechowski From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de Tue Apr 23 10:30:43 2002 From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:30:43 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl>; from wrobell@ite.pl on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:28:11AM +0200 References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> Message-ID: <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:28:11AM +0200, wrobell wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:17:30AM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote: > > > > Am I stupid? I've downloaded yesterday iso from fpt://.../iso/1.0/i686/* > > > > The problem is that packages which in my opinion are the most important > > like glibc-2.* are not there? I can see glibc-devel glibc-static > > glibc-memusage whatever but there is no glibc. The same story with > > perl python and so on. Am I missing something ? > Are you missing first cd? Hmm it look like. I am indeed stupid. It was late yesterday. Sorry I could figured it out just be reading what is writen. I got confuse by numbers and the beleawe that we have 2 cds not 3. Lukasz -- ?ukasz Dobrek An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist is sure that this must be so. From wrobell at ite.pl Tue Apr 23 10:39:29 2002 From: wrobell at ite.pl (wrobell) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:39:29 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> Message-ID: <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:30:43AM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:28:11AM +0200, wrobell wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:17:30AM +0200, Lukas Dobrek wrote: > > > > > > Am I stupid? I've downloaded yesterday iso from fpt://.../iso/1.0/i686/* > > > > > > The problem is that packages which in my opinion are the most important > > > like glibc-2.* are not there? I can see glibc-devel glibc-static > > > glibc-memusage whatever but there is no glibc. The same story with > > > perl python and so on. Am I missing something ? > > Are you missing first cd? > Hmm it look like. I am indeed stupid. It was late yesterday. Sorry > I could figured it out just be reading what is writen. I got confuse > by numbers and the beleawe that we have 2 cds not 3. don't worry, I was misled sometime ago, too :-\ wrobell From michal at michal.waw.pl Tue Apr 23 12:00:12 2002 From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:00:12 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> Message-ID: <20020423100012.GD3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:39:29AM +0200, wrobell wrote: > don't worry, I was misled sometime ago, too :-\ And I also know some guy make same mistake. Meybe we should change CD names to CD-1, CD-2, CD-3. Current naming scheme is obviously misleasing. -- --= Michal Kochanowicz==--==--==BOFH==--==--==michal at michal.waw.pl =-- --= finger me for PGP public key or visit http://michal.waw.pl/PGP =-- --==--==--==--==--==-- Vodka. Connecting people.--==--==--==--==--==-- A chodzenie po g?rach SSIE!!! From wiget at pld.org.pl Tue Apr 23 12:18:31 2002 From: wiget at pld.org.pl (Artur Frysiak) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:18:31 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423100012.GD3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423100012.GD3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> Message-ID: <20020423101831.GA27601@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:00:12PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:39:29AM +0200, wrobell wrote: > > don't worry, I was misled sometime ago, too :-\ > And I also know some guy make same mistake. Meybe we should change CD > names to CD-1, CD-2, CD-3. Current naming scheme is obviously > misleasing. CD-0, CD-1, CD2 is better :-) Regards -- Artur Frysiak http://www.pld.org.pl/ From michal at michal.waw.pl Tue Apr 23 12:35:05 2002 From: michal at michal.waw.pl (Michal Kochanowicz) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:35:05 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423101831.GA27601@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423100012.GD3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020423101831.GA27601@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> Message-ID: <20020423103505.GE3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:18:31PM +0200, Artur Frysiak wrote: > CD-0, CD-1, CD2 is better :-) Maybe you're right. I was wandering for what number one will look when he needs *first* CD. And I tought it is *one* :) -- --= Michal Kochanowicz==--==--==BOFH==--==--==michal at michal.waw.pl =-- --= finger me for PGP public key or visit http://michal.waw.pl/PGP =-- --==--==--==--==--==-- Vodka. Connecting people.--==--==--==--==--==-- A chodzenie po g?rach SSIE!!! From dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de Tue Apr 23 12:47:12 2002 From: dobrek at itp.uni-hannover.de (Lukas Dobrek) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:47:12 +0200 Subject: iso In-Reply-To: <20020423103505.GE3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl>; from michal@michal.waw.pl on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:35:05PM +0200 References: <20020423101730.A10007@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423082811.GA10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423103043.A11100@itp.uni-hannover.de> <20020423083929.GB10596@pred.posexperts.com.pl> <20020423100012.GD3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> <20020423101831.GA27601@wiget.kwidzynska.koelner.com.pl> <20020423103505.GE3321@wieszak.mmm.ozarow-12.waw.pl> Message-ID: <20020423124712.A16502@itp.uni-hannover.de> On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:35:05PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:18:31PM +0200, Artur Frysiak wrote: > > CD-0, CD-1, CD2 is better :-) > Maybe you're right. I was wandering for what number one will look when > he needs *first* CD. And I tought it is *one* :) I think cd-1 cd-2 cd-3 is better. I look for first cd, hence my mistake. Lukasz -- ?ukasz Dobrek An optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist is sure that this must be so.