From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 01:08:16 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:08:16 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
Message-ID: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>

  Dear All,
Last release ISO I see online is from back in 2007, according to
ftp://ftp.iso.pld-linux.org/iso/2.0/
Yet, I see that some PLD repos release latest kernel from
kernel.org: 2.6.35.7
See
ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/vol/vol1/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/3.0/PLD/i686/RPMS/kernel-2.6.35.7-1.i686.rpm

So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in  2007??

Also, where are the update repos for latest released ISO image?



From gzohop at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 14:05:34 2010
From: gzohop at gmail.com (Grzesiek Pycia)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:05:34 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBAE68E.30204@gmail.com>

On 17.10.2010 01:08, JD wrote:
>   Dear All,
> Last release ISO I see online is from back in 2007, according to
> ftp://ftp.iso.pld-linux.org/iso/2.0/
> Yet, I see that some PLD repos release latest kernel from
> kernel.org: 2.6.35.7
> See
> ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/vol/vol1/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/3.0/PLD/i686/RPMS/kernel-2.6.35.7-1.i686.rpm
> 
> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in  2007??

No, the 3.0(TH) is in develop for now, and it's usable and "stable"
release ;)
There is no iso, but you can use CRI or RCD to install it via chroot

> 
> Also, where are the update repos for latest released ISO image?

AFAIK there are no new iso releases.

There are PLD 3.0 live cd releases:

http://livecd.pld-linux.org/



-- 
Gzohop:
Grzesiek Pycia
EMAIL: gzohop at gmail.com
"Czas robi swoje... a Ty?"


From udvzsolt at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 13:20:18 2010
From: udvzsolt at gmail.com (Zsolt Udvari)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:20:18 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I think you want to use Th version.
http://www.pld-linux.org/ThInfo
http://www.pld-linux.org/AcInfo

Installation:
http://www.pld-linux.org/FAQ#head-01796201545cba4b75c05fb60a3d5527f3be776e

Zsolt


2010/10/17 JD <jd1008 at gmail.com>:
> ?Dear All,
> Last release ISO I see online is from back in 2007, according to
> ftp://ftp.iso.pld-linux.org/iso/2.0/
> Yet, I see that some PLD repos release latest kernel from
> kernel.org: 2.6.35.7
> See
> ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/vol/vol1/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/3.0/PLD/i686/RPMS/kernel-2.6.35.7-1.i686.rpm
>
> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in ?2007??
>
> Also, where are the update repos for latest released ISO image?
>
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 21:20:36 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:20:36 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBB4C84.8070404@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 04:20 AM, Zsolt Udvari wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I think you want to use Th version.
> http://www.pld-linux.org/ThInfo
> http://www.pld-linux.org/AcInfo
>
> Installation:
> http://www.pld-linux.org/FAQ#head-01796201545cba4b75c05fb60a3d5527f3be776e
>
> Zsolt
>
OK, Thanx.
What about the repo file for yum and the gpg to import?

> 2010/10/17 JD<jd1008 at gmail.com>:
>>   Dear All,
>> Last release ISO I see online is from back in 2007, according to
>> ftp://ftp.iso.pld-linux.org/iso/2.0/
>> Yet, I see that some PLD repos release latest kernel from
>> kernel.org: 2.6.35.7
>> See
>> ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/vol/vol1/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/3.0/PLD/i686/RPMS/kernel-2.6.35.7-1.i686.rpm
>>
>> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in  2007??
>>
>> Also, where are the update repos for latest released ISO image?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pld-users-en mailing list
>> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
>> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>>
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>



From wrobell at pld-linux.org  Sun Oct 17 21:33:58 2010
From: wrobell at pld-linux.org (Artur Wroblewski)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:33:58 +0100
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAz25+9UOLuksaYYOyMCdSUygv34X=CA18OVr3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Zsolt Udvari <udvzsolt at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.pld-linux.org/ThInfo

Above page needs updates (i.e. ppc and athlon are not supported anymore).

Regards,

w


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 21:34:38 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:34:38 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBAE68E.30204@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com> <4CBAE68E.30204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 05:05 AM, Grzesiek Pycia wrote:
> On 17.10.2010 01:08, JD wrote:
>>    Dear All,
>> Last release ISO I see online is from back in 2007, according to
>> ftp://ftp.iso.pld-linux.org/iso/2.0/
>> Yet, I see that some PLD repos release latest kernel from
>> kernel.org: 2.6.35.7
>> See
>> ftp://ftp.task.gda.pl/vol/vol1/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/3.0/PLD/i686/RPMS/kernel-2.6.35.7-1.i686.rpm
>>
>> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in  2007??
> No, the 3.0(TH) is in develop for now, and it's usable and "stable"
> release ;)
> There is no iso, but you can use CRI or RCD to install it via chroot
>
>> Also, where are the update repos for latest released ISO image?
> AFAIK there are no new iso releases.
>
> There are PLD 3.0 live cd releases:
>
> http://livecd.pld-linux.org/
>
>
>
OK, so once I install Th via live CD, and I want to do
yum update
where are the updates?
Or if you can tell me the contents of the .repo  files?
What about importing he GPG? From where?



From pawelz at pld-linux.org  Sun Oct 17 21:55:14 2010
From: pawelz at pld-linux.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Zuzelski)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:55:14 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBB4C84.8070404@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=EeX-btmS34F5et4q2GXfQH0_LwdFKsWv-MOz=@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBB4C84.8070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101017195513.GA4579@davabel.xatka.net>

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, JD wrote:
> OK, Thanx.
> What about the repo file for yum and the gpg to import?

We don't use yum. As I know, there are no yum indexes generated for
th. Use poldek.

-- 
Regards,
Pawe? Zuzelski


From pawelz at pld-linux.org  Sun Oct 17 21:59:58 2010
From: pawelz at pld-linux.org (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3?= Zuzelski)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:59:58 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com> <4CBAE68E.30204@gmail.com>
	<4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, JD wrote:
> OK, so once I install Th via live CD, and I want to do
> yum update
> where are the updates?
> Or if you can tell me the contents of the .repo  files?

Forget about yum and .repo, we've got much better deps solver called
poldek. Try:

poldek --up
poldek

Then, in poldek interactive mode something like:

poldek> search java*
poldek> search -f */javac
poldek> search -f /usr/bin/file
poldek> install tomcat
poldek> uninstall lighttpd

you can browse poldek repos configuration in
/etc/poldek/repos.d/pld.conf

Enjoy! :)

> What about importing he GPG? From where?

I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.

-- 
Regards,
Pawe?


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 22:08:46 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:08:46 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<4CBAE68E.30204@gmail.com>	<4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>
	<20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>
Message-ID: <4CBB57CE.3020301@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 12:59 PM, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, JD wrote:
>> OK, so once I install Th via live CD, and I want to do
>> yum update
>> where are the updates?
>> Or if you can tell me the contents of the .repo  files?
> Forget about yum and .repo, we've got much better deps solver called
> poldek. Try:
>
> poldek --up
> poldek
>
> Then, in poldek interactive mode something like:
>
> poldek>  search java*
> poldek>  search -f */javac
> poldek>  search -f /usr/bin/file
> poldek>  install tomcat
> poldek>  uninstall lighttpd
>
> you can browse poldek repos configuration in
> /etc/poldek/repos.d/pld.conf
>
> Enjoy! :)
>
>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
>
OK. Thank you Pawel.

Cheers,

JD


From arekm at maven.pl  Sun Oct 17 22:10:36 2010
From: arekm at maven.pl (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:10:36 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com> <4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>
	<20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>
Message-ID: <201010172210.36612.arekm@maven.pl>

On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:

> > What about importing he GPG? From where?
> 
> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.

main packages are signed:

ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz        PLD/Linux Team
arekm / maven.pl            http://ftp.pld-linux.org/


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 22:18:44 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:18:44 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <201010172210.36612.arekm@maven.pl>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<4CBB4FCE.8060207@gmail.com>	<20101017195958.GB4579@davabel.xatka.net>
	<201010172210.36612.arekm@maven.pl>
Message-ID: <4CBB5A24.5000908@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 01:10 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
>
>>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
>> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
> main packages are signed:
>
> ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc
>
So, does poldek have a comand to import the sigs
the way yum imports the sigs?



From arekm at maven.pl  Sun Oct 17 22:24:43 2010
From: arekm at maven.pl (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:24:43 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBB5A24.5000908@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com> <201010172210.36612.arekm@maven.pl>
	<4CBB5A24.5000908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010172224.43418.arekm@maven.pl>

On Sunday 17 of October 2010, JD wrote:
>   On 10/17/2010 01:10 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> > On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
> >>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
> > 
> > main packages are signed:
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc
> 
> So, does poldek have a comand to import the sigs
> the way yum imports the sigs?

poldek - no.
rpm - yes.
yum - no idea what it does wit keys.

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz        PLD/Linux Team
arekm / maven.pl            http://ftp.pld-linux.org/


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 22:36:27 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:36:27 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <201010172224.43418.arekm@maven.pl>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<201010172210.36612.arekm@maven.pl>	<4CBB5A24.5000908@gmail.com>
	<201010172224.43418.arekm@maven.pl>
Message-ID: <4CBB5E4B.5030305@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 01:24 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> On Sunday 17 of October 2010, JD wrote:
>>    On 10/17/2010 01:10 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
>>> On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
>>>>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
>>>> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
>>> main packages are signed:
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc
>> So, does poldek have a comand to import the sigs
>> the way yum imports the sigs?
> poldek - no.
> rpm - yes.
> yum - no idea what it does wit keys.
>
But I was just told to forget about yum and use poldek.
If poldek does not have a way to import these sigs,
and yum is not  used for updates because apparently there
is not pld.repo file , then how could poldek verify the authenticity
of the packages it downloads?



From arekm at maven.pl  Sun Oct 17 22:50:08 2010
From: arekm at maven.pl (Arkadiusz Miskiewicz)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:50:08 +0200
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBB5E4B.5030305@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com> <201010172224.43418.arekm@maven.pl>
	<4CBB5E4B.5030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010172250.08165.arekm@maven.pl>

On Sunday 17 of October 2010, JD wrote:
>   On 10/17/2010 01:24 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> > On Sunday 17 of October 2010, JD wrote:
> >>    On 10/17/2010 01:10 PM, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
> >>>>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
> >>> 
> >>> main packages are signed:
> >>> 
> >>> ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc
> >> 
> >> So, does poldek have a comand to import the sigs
> >> the way yum imports the sigs?
> > 
> > poldek - no.
> > rpm - yes.
> > yum - no idea what it does wit keys.
> 
> But I was just told to forget about yum and use poldek.
> If poldek does not have a way to import these sigs,
> and yum is not  used for updates because apparently there
> is not pld.repo file , then how could poldek verify the authenticity
> of the packages it downloads?

By using rpm mechanism for that. So use rpm to import these and poldek will 
know.

-- 
Arkadiusz Mi?kiewicz        PLD/Linux Team
arekm / maven.pl            http://ftp.pld-linux.org/


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 05:39:36 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:39:36 -0700
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
Message-ID: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>

  So, is there an english version of this list?
What about English archives of this list?



From udvzsolt at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 08:23:53 2010
From: udvzsolt at gmail.com (Zsolt Udvari)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:23:53 +0200
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>
References: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDxSO1sZWh9wgVBnFhpFnUP3V_wfTBjarX4=X0@mail.gmail.com>

PLD kernel mailing list? Hm. I don't know about it.
If you interested about mailing lists, please check:
http://www.pld-linux.org/MailingLists

Zsolt


2010/10/18 JD <jd1008 at gmail.com>:
> ?So, is there an english version of this list?
> What about English archives of this list?
>
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 08:55:14 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:55:14 -0700
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDxSO1sZWh9wgVBnFhpFnUP3V_wfTBjarX4=X0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikDxSO1sZWh9wgVBnFhpFnUP3V_wfTBjarX4=X0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBBEF52.60105@gmail.com>

  On 10/17/2010 11:23 PM, Zsolt Udvari wrote:
> PLD kernel mailing list? Hm. I don't know about it.
> If you interested about mailing lists, please check:
> http://www.pld-linux.org/MailingLists
>
> Zsolt
>
>
> 2010/10/18 JD<jd1008 at gmail.com>:
>>   So, is there an english version of this list?
>> What about English archives of this list?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pld-users-en mailing list
>> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
>> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>>
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-e

I'm surprised you do not know about it:
http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-kernel

Cheers,

JD


From hawk at pld-linux.org  Mon Oct 18 09:07:10 2010
From: hawk at pld-linux.org (Marcin Krol)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:07:10 +0200
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>
References: <4CBBC178.6000302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBBF21E.9090708@pld-linux.org>

>    So, is there an english version of this list?
> What about English archives of this list?

Feel free to write there in english. Only -devel and -users lists are 
divided into polish and english. Unfortunately archives aren't 
translated if someone writes in polish on other lists :(

M.


From caleb at pld-linux.org  Mon Oct 18 09:45:07 2010
From: caleb at pld-linux.org (Caleb Maclennan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:45:07 +0300
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=S8K9tfVScqptDRk0wNLufhvA=yYe_iU+qS+hd@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 02:08, JD <jd1008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in ?2007??

JD,

I know you have been answered but I thought it might be useful to step
in here and note a few of the things that makes PLD-Linux distinct.
Some things don't work quite like other distros.

In the PLD world, when a release get's made it's almost the same and
pronouncing the time of death for that branch of development. Once a
release is cut everything goes into maintenance mode and software is
no longer upgraded except minor and security releases. This is not
quite so different than other distros, except that the effect is
somewhat more dramatic.

The other dramatic bit is that the current development trees are kept
in stable running condition at all times even during the introduction
of major new software releases. Unlike other distros that lock down
their repositories for released branches to major versions of certain
packages, the current release tree in PLD is in continuous growth. The
longer systems go between updates the higher the likelihood of having
issues to work through on upgrades, but in general both old and new
systems can be continuously upgraded to the current package set.

Installing the system is typically done with some form of boot strap.
The CRI is a good way for newbies to get in the game. I tend to use
the rescue disc and do a full manual install from start to finish.
Admittedly this is a hard way to get into a new system and limits
PLD's usage and acceptance. Someday I hope to see this change and the
install options to get easier. Meanwhile once you have a system up and
running the flexibility to constantly upgrade it to the latest
packages is a huge boon.

If you need help getting through the install process feel free to post
on here, I and others would be glad to help you out. After that we'll
try to help you get the hang of the ropes. Once you know how things
are supposed to work, I think you'll find the machinery is well oiled!

Caleb


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 19:48:38 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:48:38 -0700
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=S8K9tfVScqptDRk0wNLufhvA=yYe_iU+qS+hd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CBA3060.8020405@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=S8K9tfVScqptDRk0wNLufhvA=yYe_iU+qS+hd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBC8876.5000407@gmail.com>

  On 10/18/2010 12:45 AM, Caleb Maclennan wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 02:08, JD<jd1008 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> So, there has been no new full release since PLD 2 in  2007??
> JD,
>
> I know you have been answered but I thought it might be useful to step
> in here and note a few of the things that makes PLD-Linux distinct.
> Some things don't work quite like other distros.
>
> In the PLD world, when a release get's made it's almost the same and
> pronouncing the time of death for that branch of development. Once a
> release is cut everything goes into maintenance mode and software is
> no longer upgraded except minor and security releases. This is not
> quite so different than other distros, except that the effect is
> somewhat more dramatic.
>
> The other dramatic bit is that the current development trees are kept
> in stable running condition at all times even during the introduction
> of major new software releases. Unlike other distros that lock down
> their repositories for released branches to major versions of certain
> packages, the current release tree in PLD is in continuous growth. The
> longer systems go between updates the higher the likelihood of having
> issues to work through on upgrades, but in general both old and new
> systems can be continuously upgraded to the current package set.
>
> Installing the system is typically done with some form of boot strap.
> The CRI is a good way for newbies to get in the game. I tend to use
> the rescue disc and do a full manual install from start to finish.
> Admittedly this is a hard way to get into a new system and limits
> PLD's usage and acceptance. Someday I hope to see this change and the
> install options to get easier. Meanwhile once you have a system up and
> running the flexibility to constantly upgrade it to the latest
> packages is a huge boon.
>
> If you need help getting through the install process feel free to post
> on here, I and others would be glad to help you out. After that we'll
> try to help you get the hang of the ropes. Once you know how things
> are supposed to work, I think you'll find the machinery is well oiled!
>
> Caleb
> _______________________________________________
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> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>
Thank you Caleb.
That is a very nice heads-up info.
So, you are effectively saying that PLD-1 still gets
maintenance updates? It is indeed good to know.
It means there is not such thing as EOL date for
any PLD release. Right?

I have not installed it yet. I have downloaded the live 3 'Th' iso.
I was looking for the DVD iso, but I have not found it.
I was wondering about a way to to install as many of the packages
as I have on the other Linux installation (F13). I am not sure if that
can be done after I have installed live iso to hard drive. I have had
to look in other distros to find packages not available in Fedora. I had
to do same for FreeBSD. This is understandable since it is not possible
for any distro to provide every free package in existence.
Some minor issues I have had when finding a source rpm from another
distro, is that they use rpmbuild macros that are not supported by
whatever other version of Linux I was trying to build it on. So I have
had to munge the spec file in order to get somewhere. Notorious for
this are Mandriva and SUSE. I am sure I will not be able to escape this
even in PLD. :) :)

Cheers,

JD



From udvzsolt at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 22:57:41 2010
From: udvzsolt at gmail.com (Zsolt Udvari)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:57:41 +0200
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4CBBEF52.60105@gmail.com>
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Hm. Man learns everytime ;)
But I'm not kernel-guru, so I don't will use this list :)

Zsolt


2010/10/18 JD <jd1008 at gmail.com>:
> ?On 10/17/2010 11:23 PM, Zsolt Udvari wrote:
>> PLD kernel mailing list? Hm. I don't know about it.
>> If you interested about mailing lists, please check:
>> http://www.pld-linux.org/MailingLists
>>
>> Zsolt
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/18 JD<jd1008 at gmail.com>:
>>> ? So, is there an english version of this list?
>>> What about English archives of this list?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> pld-users-en mailing list
>>> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
>>> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> pld-users-en mailing list
>> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
>> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-e
>
> I'm surprised you do not know about it:
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-kernel
>
> Cheers,
>
> JD
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>


From caleb at pld-linux.org  Mon Oct 18 23:00:46 2010
From: caleb at pld-linux.org (Caleb Maclennan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:00:46 +0300
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 09:55, JD <jd1008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm surprised you do not know about it:
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-kernel

Since the list has not been used since 2008, I suggest it's probably
not very important to keep track of unless you're actually a kernel
developer. Stick to users and devel, that's where most of the action
comes across.

Caleb


From jd1008 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 23:48:44 2010
From: jd1008 at gmail.com (JD)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:48:44 -0700
Subject: English version of pld-kernel mailing list
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  On 10/18/2010 02:00 PM, Caleb Maclennan wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 09:55, JD<jd1008 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I'm surprised you do not know about it:
>> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-kernel
> Since the list has not been used since 2008, I suggest it's probably
> not very important to keep track of unless you're actually a kernel
> developer. Stick to users and devel, that's where most of the action
> comes across.
>
> Caleb
> _______________________________________________
> pld-users-en mailing list
> pld-users-en at lists.pld-linux.org
> http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/pld-users-en
>
OK. Thanks!



From glen at pld-linux.org  Mon Oct 18 11:04:55 2010
From: glen at pld-linux.org (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Elan_Ruusam=E4e?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:04:55 +0300
Subject: Question about latest release iso
In-Reply-To: <20101017195513.GA4579@davabel.xatka.net>
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  On 17.10.2010 22:55, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, JD wrote:
>> OK, Thanx.
>> What about the repo file for yum and the gpg to import?
> We don't use yum. As I know, there are no yum indexes generated for
> th. Use poldek.

that is not true, metadata is generated nighty for PLD repo (aka th-main)

if it is broken, that is different story.


-- 
glen




From glen at pld-linux.org  Mon Oct 18 11:08:30 2010
From: glen at pld-linux.org (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Elan_Ruusam=E4e?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:08:30 +0300
Subject: Question about latest release iso
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  On 17.10.2010 23:10, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote:
> On Sunday 17 of October 2010, Pawe? Zuzelski wrote:
>
>>> What about importing he GPG? From where?
>> I'm not sure, but as I know th packages are not gpg-signed.
> main packages are signed:
>
> ftp://ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/th/PLD-3.0-Th-GPG-key.asc
>

pld th packages are signed,  by that key above.

but due bug in rpm (at least one used in pld), rpm is unable to use that 
signature. same goes for poldek as poldek uses rpm to verify the keys.

-- 
glen




From udvzsolt at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 10:22:57 2010
From: udvzsolt at gmail.com (Zsolt Udvari)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:22:57 +0200
Subject: Poldek memory fault
Message-ID: <AANLkTikWhUdro6cQgX9Z4rMK9Sq3Uko_=qSJhnKiErcS@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

Do only I have poldek segfault, everybody nothing?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/pld-linux/+bug/658291

Zsolt